Nomenclature ? Names for the Profession ?

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Use of names for the profession has been mentioned a few times in passing (including by Admin) in other threads but I think it is worth discussing at greater length. If one of the aims of UKP was and is to allow punters to have frank discussions with each other with our interests at heart, it has also been stated that this site is intended to be a bit different. A place where wgs can advertise etc and generally engage in activities that would not be suited to UKP and generally feel a bit more at ease and on the same footing as punters. As others have written, for this new site to be a success, we need to encourage the ladies into the fold. It would be particularly interesting to hear a female perspective on this.

Is the whole issue of names something we should look at in more detail ? Without looking to change existing etiquette on UKP, should names for the profession be dealt with differently here. I remember when I first signed up to UKP, I used the term escort but quickly noticed that hardly anybody used that term and I quickly changed to wg. Wg was a term I felt comfortable with, as over the years, it was the term I had most commonly heard wgs themselves use. I saw the term prossie being used quite frequently on UKP and have even been to see some wgs who refer to themselves as prossies. While it is not a term I use myself, I don't see how it is that offensive, as it is derived from a dictionary definition but I accept that some wgs don't like the word.

Occasionally one sees the words whore and whoring being used and even sometimes it is the girls who are doing that. Again one can look in a dictionary and see that is an older as opposed to derogatory usage but still not terms I would ever use. I basically pride myself on trying to be polite in all interactions with people (doesn't have to be related to punting or sex). Even if I might mean no offense by a word, or see nothing bad in it, if I think it might upset the person I am talking to, I wouldn't use it.

Recently, I derided a new member on UKP for using the term sex worker. Today I noticed a well known aw member use this term to describe herself. Her choice obviously, but it is not a term I could ever use myself, I would be worried I might get a slap in the face for one thing. For me it conjures up images of at best a girl who offers a mechanical service, with no regard to the interpersonal and social skills needed or at worst a (probably druggie) street walker. Presumably not what the pc brigade had in mind but those are the connotations it has in my opinion.

Admin also raised the issue as to whether there are words we punters feel uncomfortable being used to describe us. I can't think of any myself, if I am treated with politeness and friendliness, I'm happy. Essentially my own philosophy is that punters and wgs are two sides of a coin, there is no right for either side to look down on the other.
 
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#2
I also think that there is an important distinction between "prossie" and "pro$$ie". One being a user-friendly shortening of the word prostitute, and the other implying they are only in it for one thing. Whilst money is obviously the main motivating factor for nearly all WGs (there we are, that was the word I chose to use), there are many who do seem to enjoy many other aspects of their job as well, so I personally generally avoid inserting the dollar signs. I think it becomes clear from the client's perspective which girls actually deserve to be called pro$$ies, and I certainly wouldn't give them my custom again.
 
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#3
As long as there's no malice or intention to cause offence, it doesn't matter to me which words are used. I am indeed a sex worker, a whore, a prossie etc. Even in my FAQs I have the following:

Q: You are a slut! A: No, I'm a whore.
 
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As long as there's no malice or intention to cause offence, it doesn't matter to me which words are used. I am indeed a sex worker, a whore, a prossie etc. Even in my FAQs I have the following:

Q: You are a slut! A: No, I'm a whore.
The other thing I forgot to mention, is that the main place where I have seen the term sex worker (other than these periodic work political correctness training sessions) is at the GUM clinic. It just comes across as a cold and technical term. If you are happy with it Cat that is your call. I should point out that you do refer to yourself as a slut on your website http://catbbw.co.uk/i-am-a-money-making-slut-and-proud-of-it/
 
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The other thing I forgot to mention, is that the main place where I have seen the term sex worker (other than these periodic work political correctness training sessions) is at the GUM clinic. It just comes across as a cold and technical term. If you are happy with it Cat that is your call. I should point out that you do refer to yourself as a slut on your website http://catbbw.co.uk/i-am-a-money-making-slut-and-proud-of-it/
Ha, indeed. I changed my mind about slut when I realised it was quite a submissive term and got sick of being asked to do slut things (apparantly entails lots of gagging, drooling, and culminating in a facial), and that blog piece was written a long time before the FAQ. I really must write some more blog entries and tidy my site up, it's a birrovva mess.
 
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#6
Sex worker is the name I would never use, I think we should save that one for the Harriet Harmen's and all the other dogooding fuckwits that don't have a clue about what goes on between two consenting adults that just happen to pay and receive payment for sex. It's a phrase used by them whenever they bring up the subject of trafficking and coercion. Over on UKP I've used both prossie and WG as I see them as interchangeable, but if in conversation with a WG (or prossie) I tend to use Escort as it's probably the least offensive. Why ruin a good punt by upsetting a WG (or prossie) with something they may find offensive? One I would also never use is "common prostitute" as I find that highly derogatory.
 
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I've used several terms and tend to adopt them to each situation. Escort is a 'nice soft term' which some people prefer because they use prostitute to mean Street worker. I am a woman and have worked in some sort of job for the majority of my life, I sometimes use WG but think it's not accurate.

I often use sex worker to avoid confusion surrounding the word Escort, sometimes I'll define Escort as "prostitute who works indoors, providing a sexual service charged by time, on an appointment only basis".
 
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Over on UKP I've used both prossie and WG as I see them as interchangeable, but if in conversation with a WG (or prossie) I tend to use Escort as it's probably the least offensive.
When in conversation with a wg, if I need to make mention of her job, then I will usually call her an escort, unless she has already called herself something else, such as a wg. I couldn't use a term that I personally viewed as insulting (such as sex worker) even if the wg was ok with it. Cat you also raise a good point when you mention the lack of malice and intent. If there is genuinely no intent to insult by either party, that is the main thing, although the pc powers that be want to encourage people to feel offended as much as possible.
 
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#9
Like most words used to describe groups of people its the intent in which it is used that can cause upset, and as per knightofthegarters post , when interacting with people, you should seek to call them what you feel is right at the time. EG some people dont like people they first meet abbreviating their name, Albert- Al, Sharon-Shaz.
 
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I've used several terms and tend to adopt them to each situation. Escort is a 'nice soft term' which some people prefer because they use prostitute to mean Street worker. I am a woman and have worked in some sort of job for the majority of my life, I sometimes use WG but think it's not accurate.

I often use sex worker to avoid confusion surrounding the word Escort, sometimes I'll define Escort as "prostitute who works indoors, providing a sexual service charged by time, on an appointment only basis".
Interesting points. While I do use the term wg, obviously most women do some sort of work. The term probably dates back to a time when most women were not in the workplace. Also as you say, you get non sexual escorts, so it can be ambiguous but such details can be elaborated on in profiles
 
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Interesting points. While I do use the term wg, obviously most women do some sort of work. The term probably dates back to a time when most women were not in the workplace. Also as you say, you get non sexual escorts, so it can be ambiguous but such details can be elaborated on in profiles
Yes but most women were in the workplace, 100 + years ago numerous women worked, often with their children alongside them.

Women not working was more of a middle-upper class ideal.
 
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One individual make take offence at a word which another finds inoffensive, so hard and fast rules may be unworkable, and much depends on context. It seems some find the term whore offensive, for example, which surprises me a little as I have heard women use it about themselves almost with relish. Perhaps some of these terms resemble the 'N' word - only considered inoffensive when used by those who are members of that group!
 
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As long as the word is used to be descriptive and not offensive then I don't think it really matters. I have one punter who knows I dislike being called an escort as I am not one so tries to use the term I use but he really struggles to do so and it is really cute when he finally half whispers and half gasps prossie. With such a diverse group of people we will never find a term that everyone is comfortable with but as long it is meant only as a descriptor I don't think it matters that much
 
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Use of names for the profession has been mentioned a few times in passing (including by Admin) in other threads but I think it is worth discussing at greater length. If one of the aims of UKP was and is to allow punters to have frank discussions with each other with our interests at heart, it has also been stated that this site is intended to be a bit different. A place where wgs can advertise etc and generally engage in activities that would not be suited to UKP and generally feel a bit more at ease and on the same footing as punters. As others have written, for this new site to be a success, we need to encourage the ladies into the fold. It would be particularly interesting to hear a female perspective on this.

Is the whole issue of names something we should look at in more detail ? Without looking to change existing etiquette on UKP, should names for the profession be dealt with differently here. I remember when I first signed up to UKP, I used the term escort but quickly noticed that hardly anybody used that term and I quickly changed to wg. Wg was a term I felt comfortable with, as over the years, it was the term I had most commonly heard wgs themselves use. I saw the term prossie being used quite frequently on UKP and have even been to see some wgs who refer to themselves as prossies. While it is not a term I use myself, I don't see how it is that offensive, as it is derived from a dictionary definition but I accept that some wgs don't like the word.

Occasionally one sees the words whore and whoring being used and even sometimes it is the girls who are doing that. Again one can look in a dictionary and see that is an older as opposed to derogatory usage but still not terms I would ever use. I basically pride myself on trying to be polite in all interactions with people (doesn't have to be related to punting or sex). Even if I might mean no offense by a word, or see nothing bad in it, if I think it might upset the person I am talking to, I wouldn't use it.

Recently, I derided a new member on UKP for using the term sex worker. Today I noticed a well known aw member use this term to describe herself. Her choice obviously, but it is not a term I could ever use myself, I would be worried I might get a slap in the face for one thing. For me it conjures up images of at best a girl who offers a mechanical service, with no regard to the interpersonal and social skills needed or at worst a (probably druggie) street walker. Presumably not what the pc brigade had in mind but those are the connotations it has in my opinion.

Admin also raised the issue as to whether there are words we punters feel uncomfortable being used to describe us. I can't think of any myself, if I am treated with politeness and friendliness, I'm happy. Essentially my own philosophy is that punters and wgs are two sides of a coin, there is no right for either side to look down on the other.
All very simple for me, this pastime is called punting and WGs are WGs, I am a punter but not fussed what else a WG or WGs might call me, decades ago I was sometimes referred to as a john despite my real or punting name not being john.
 
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According to Wiki someone who buys sex is a "procurer". Call me old fashioned but I'll stick to being a "punter". So what do you girls call us procurers? Come on, we can take it.
 
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Echoing what's already been said: as long as any term isn't used in malice then I've no issue with what people want to call me.

I've used various terms to describe my job, some rather serious and some lighthearted and jokey.

Clients I've met tend to use the word "escort" more than anything else when just chatting, but in the build up to cumming or at the crucial moment quite a few use the word "whore" eg filthy whore etc.
 
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All picked up from too much porn I reckon ! actions speak louder than words, unless a specific role play has been agreed on of course
My sentiments exactly. Being a bit fluffy I would feel bad using a term like whore - even in role-play. I tend to stick to 'escort' and 'client' because it seems to fit the more formal way of punting these days (as opposed to walk-ups and the old red light areas)
 
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Procurer has a lot of meanings in the dictionary, one of which is as superchamp says. It can also mean to obtain a marriage license ! Must cause a lot of confusion for people learning the language.

Does it bother you being called a whore at the "crucial moment" Jessamy ? I agree with you Hank, I think the furthest I ever go is to say things like "you're so naughty"
 
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Echoing what's already been said: as long as any term isn't used in malice then I've no issue with what people want to call me.

I've used various terms to describe my job, some rather serious and some lighthearted and jokey.

Clients I've met tend to use the word "escort" more than anything else when just chatting, but in the build up to cumming or at the crucial moment quite a few use the word "whore" eg filthy whore etc.
Don't worry I say that all the time professional or not
 
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#23
I dont mind the term prossie, I dont like pro$$ie though as it implies that all we care about is the money which to me is ridiculous, when a guy goes to work every day for free then he can use the term pro$$ie, while he is drawing a wage or commission for the work he does then he is no different to me.

We care about our reputations,our families, our lives, our most regular regulars, we care that our guys walk out of the door feeling good,we put a lot of that cash we earn back into having nice accomodation for guys to visit, into equipment to get ourselves more bookings and to provide more fun for the guys, we invest in nice clothes, fetish wear, you name it, advertising etc. If all we cared about was the money then we wouldnt bother with all of that. However, this IS a job to us just as the clients job is theirs so its flaming obvious that we care about the money, its just not the ONLY thing we care about in life which is what the double dollar sign insinuates, to me personally. I dont understand why some guys put us down for this by adding those two dollar signs into the mix

Prossie is short for prostitute, its what we are, its nothing to be ashamed about nor is it even possible to be used as an insult towards anyone in this business unless this job make them feel
ashamed in which case...not the right business for them

Whore...again, a dictionary term, big deal

Escort...again,its just another word for what I do

Lady of the night...sounds cool but doesnt apply to me as I dont work overnight

WG...yes, I work for a living therefore I am a wg, same as any female who does any job is a working girl

Cunt...now thats a word I dont like, I dont like my flangella being called it, its just a bit base
 
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I dont like it when people say during sex "you dirty little girl"...please, there is nothing little about me and Im way past the age when that is even believable
 
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#25
Reading further up regarding the term slut, I never really thought of it as a submissive term. I grew up in a house where if someone was a slut it meant that they were messy, dirty etc, the old fashioned original meaning, well, thats the meaning my granda attached to the word anyhow.
 
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#26
Would never use the words, Slut, whore or slag....even at the crucial moment....really dont see the need......unless, as already stated its a role play thing.
I call you all plain and simple "Girls"
 
#27
Agree that it is all about intent ... and anyway in this hobby (another word) we should all have pretty thick skins. What is strange is that things sound much more normal in person. I have been called 'babe', 'hun' and so on ... which sound wrong (a bit effeminate) in writing but in the moment, sounded just right (particularly with the instruction that followed).
 
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