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I don't have a problem with them blocking the takeover because of Saudi's history, What I object to is double standards. In 2013 Prince Abdullah bin Musa'ad bin Abdulaziz Al Saud of Saudi Arabia took 50% share in Sheffield United then took full control in 2018/19.

If Sheffield United can have a Saudi prince running the club as chairman, why block Newcastle who were going to have a banker as chairman. It's all Saudi money.
...because the Saudi takeover happened when Sheffield United were 17th in the Championship and it was a joint venture with existing owner till the court case. Which the existing owners lost as they tried to do a number on the Saudis, and apparently you can’t do a retrospective fit and proper ownership test when teams get promoted.
 
...because the Saudi takeover happened when Sheffield United were 17th in the Championship and it was a joint venture with existing owner till the court case. Which the existing owners lost as they tried to do a number on the Saudis, and apparently you can’t do a retrospective fit and proper ownership test when teams get promoted.
Wonder if they`d be interested in buying Sunderland then
 
Give it another year and newcastle might be outside the premiership.

Give it two years and the Tyne wear derbys could be back :bomb:
will Sunderland be in the championship? you think Newcastle will fall that far ...Ashley is a business man he will protect his investment .. selling as a Premiership team is so much more lucrative ....
 
will Sunderland be in the championship? you think Newcastle will fall that far ...Ashley is a business man he will protect his investment .. selling as a Premiership team is so much more lucrative ....
I was joking about Newcastle dropping to division 1 to meet Sunderland but I think another spell in the championship for Newcastle is a serious risk. With all the turmoil I can't see them attracting decent players and after all they are only a mid table/relegation fight team anyway.

I wonder if there's any truth in the article that says it was Ashley trying to renegotiate which was instrumental in the withdrawal.

I'd put nothing past that man.
 
I was joking about Newcastle dropping to division 1 to meet Sunderland but I think another spell in the championship for Newcastle is a serious risk. With all the turmoil I can't see them attracting decent players and after all they are only a mid table/relegation fight team anyway.

I wonder if there's any truth in the article that says it was Ashley trying to renegotiate which was instrumental in the withdrawal.

I'd put nothing past that man.
I always think Ashley will protect his investment [long term].. unlike Ellis Short who just lost interest.
Even if they go down they'd maintain most of the squad and come back quickly just like before
 
I don't have a problem with them blocking the takeover because of Saudi's history, What I object to is double standards. In 2013 Prince Abdullah bin Musa'ad bin Abdulaziz Al Saud of Saudi Arabia took 50% share in Sheffield United then took full control in 2018/19.

If Sheffield United can have a Saudi prince running the club as chairman, why block Newcastle who were going to have a banker as chairman. It's all Saudi money.
If they had a specific reason for not passing the deal then they should come out and explain why.....they didn’t refuse it after all....they have the O&D test which governs who is suitable, stop acting like a secret society and explain what led to the lack of action ! :unknown:
 
I always think Ashley will protect his investment [long term].. unlike Ellis Short who just lost interest.
Even if they go down they'd maintain most of the squad and come back quickly just like before
Ashley is a grade A cunt, he runs his businesses at the absolute minimum level needed. You just have to look at the issues raised over the working conditions at Sports Direct main warehouse, he even admitted paying staff below minimum wage.

During his time at Newcastle he has seen that the best players can be sold for a profit and the club still has a reasonable chance of staying up. It's a risk he is prepared to take. He even made a massive profit out of being relegated. I can't see us coming straight back up a third time when we get relegated again.

I will be amazed if ASM is still here next season, he's worth a fortune now.

The 2015 banner "We don't demand a team that wins, we demand a club that tries!" sums up the way most supporters think, unfortunately Ashley doesn't think the same way.
 
Ashley is a grade A cunt, he runs his businesses at the absolute minimum level needed. You just have to look at the issues raised over the working conditions at Sports Direct main warehouse, he even admitted paying staff below minimum wage.

During his time at Newcastle he has seen that the best players can be sold for a profit and the club still has a reasonable chance of staying up. It's a risk he is prepared to take. He even made a massive profit out of being relegated. I can't see us coming straight back up a third time when we get relegated again.

I will be amazed if ASM is still here next season, he's worth a fortune now.

The 2015 banner "We don't demand a team that wins, we demand a club that tries!" sums up the way most supporters think, unfortunately Ashley doesn't think the same way.
yes he's a business man .. and sees the value of premiership status .... he'll do enough... just... to keep that status
.. if it fails he'll keep most of the squad take the parachute payments and get back asap .... back to money machine of the Premiership
..... it won't be pretty ... it'll be tumultuous but that status is precious to Newcastle's value ..after all Sunderland own the ground .. have a status 1 academy = £20 / 30 million .. Newcastle what £300 / 400 million "value" .. due to Premiership status.
Who ever owns Sunderland will have to fund the promotions to the Premiership .. and that's not guaranteed not instant.... Newcastle already there - so vital to Ashley to maintain that ... he'll spend enough.. just enough no more
 
West Midlands and some of the London boroughs have a high Muslim population density too.

Government world have known it was Eid so would they have needed to act so last minute?
I think it’s a pre-emptive measure based on R numbers - the areas now on lockdown were in the top ten for the past 2 weeks. However announcing it late at night -essentially on what is the equivalent of Christmas Eve- is not exactly brilliant timing.... i don’t think it’s going to be a case of it being ignored I think it’s a case of people finding out too late. Then the second wave happens ....
 
I think it’s a pre-emptive measure based on R numbers - the areas now on lockdown were in the top ten for the past 2 weeks. However announcing it late at night -essentially on what is the equivalent of Christmas Eve- is not exactly brilliant timing.... i don’t think it’s going to be a case of it being ignored I think it’s a case of people finding out too late. Then the second wave happens ....
I wonder if they are using infections per 100k population as their metric. According to this report it does look quite volatile.
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/covid-19-infection-rates-teesside-18688095
 
yes he's a business man .. and sees the value of premiership status .... he'll do enough... just... to keep that status
.. if it fails he'll keep most of the squad take the parachute payments and get back asap .... back to money machine of the Premiership
..... it won't be pretty ... it'll be tumultuous but that status is precious to Newcastle's value ..after all Sunderland own the ground .. have a status 1 academy = £20 / 30 million .. Newcastle what £300 / 400 million "value" .. due to Premiership status.
Who ever owns Sunderland will have to fund the promotions to the Premiership .. and that's not guaranteed not instant.... Newcastle already there - so vital to Ashley to maintain that ... he'll spend enough.. just enough no more
Sorry but being relegated twice during his ownership tells me he takes calculated risks but sometimes his calculations are way off.

Newcastle were relegated in the 1988/89 season and it took us 4 years to get back to the top flight, getting into the premier league in '93/94. 16 years in the top flight followed until Ashley got his hands on it, now we'll struggle to avoid a third relegation during his tenure. We can only punch above our weight for so long.

Premier league status is the only thing in Newcastle's favour, massive investment is needed on the training facilities and the academy. Plans were passed in 2014 for improvements to the training ground, Quote "The statement promised “a stunning new state-of-the-art training complex” with a swimming pool, a hydrotherapy unit, and a fitness pool which would see the club “occupy one of the finest training facilities of it’s kind in Europe”. Instead as work is yet to start, we have one of the worst.
 
The one thing Sunderland got right was the infrastructure - a modern stadium and great training facilities, all of which are owned by the club. Even the pink seats have been replaced. It's just the minor details like "playing football" that they've never quite ironed out.

Edit: This is post number 777 from me, which coincidentally was the number of the bus I used to get to Sunderland. :hi:
 
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The one thing Sunderland got right was the infrastructure - a modern stadium and great training facilities, all of which are owned by the club. Even the pink seats have been replaced. It's just the minor details like "playing football" that they've never quite ironed out.

Edit: This is post number 777 from me, which coincidentally was the number of the bus I used to get to Sunderland. :hi:
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The one thing Sunderland got right was the infrastructure - a modern stadium and great training facilities, all of which are owned by the club. Even the pink seats have been replaced. It's just the minor details like "playing football" that they've never quite ironed out.

Edit: This is post number 777 from me, which coincidentally was the number of the bus I used to get to Sunderland. :hi:
sure it wasn't the 666 given the way things have gone
 
That was Quinn and the Drumaville consortium I think they tried. I also believed Short tried his best he just didn't have the right people running the club
I always said that when Bob Murray was at the helm, SAFC had the chance to go to another level.
The 2 seasons when we finished 7th was the time to go on and become a major team and make major signings.
They bottled it big style.
I worked for the club at the time and some of the names being mentioned were outstanding, but apparently, we wouldnt pay the wages.
 
Sunderland signed Tore Andre Flore to replace Niall Quinn and was never the same kind of player so it never worked out. Eventually cost Peter Reid his job and he got a lot of flack for the signing. I thought he did a great job for Sunderland but one mistake cost him. Not sure but I think Flore cost 8 million, a record signing.
 
Sunderland signed Tore Andre Flore to replace Niall Quinn and was never the same kind of player so it never worked out. Eventually cost Peter Reid his job and he got a lot of flack for the signing. I thought he did a great job for Sunderland but one mistake cost him. Not sure but I think Flore cost 8 million, a record signing.
They signed Flo and Marcus Stewart for £12m. They were panic buys. Reid knew he was going, and had even given notice on a flat he was renting. They should have strengthend the year before but pulled out of deals when players were interested in coming.
Bob Murray did a tremedous job but just didnt have the bottle to go to a higher level
 
They signed Flo and Marcus Stewart for £12m. They were panic buys. Reid knew he was going, and had even given notice on a flat he was renting. They should have strengthend the year before but pulled out of deals when players were interested in coming.
Bob Murray did a tremedous job but just didnt have the bottle to go to a higher level
Totally agree .... and when Reid took his foot of the pedal.. the writing was on the wall.... think he made more than one mistake - he just got lazy and freewheeled which you can't do in the Premiership. Overall did a great job.. but poor ending to his career .... and Murray didn't push him too much in awe of him.

He should have cheered up... but many great years pity about the ending

 
They signed Flo and Marcus Stewart for £12m. They were panic buys. Reid knew he was going, and had even given notice on a flat he was renting. They should have strengthend the year before but pulled out of deals when players were interested in coming.
Bob Murray did a tremedous job but just didnt have the bottle to go to a higher level
I don't think Murray had the money
 
Thank fuck Gateshead council have admitted they screwed up with their pathetic road closure scheme in order to put a cycle lane on the flyover. It's reduced me to hysteria taking 45 minutes to move a quarter of a mile. God knows what it's like in the rush hour. It's unusual for a council to admit they got it all wrong so credit where it's due.
 
Thank fuck Gateshead council have admitted they screwed up with their pathetic road closure scheme in order to put a cycle lane on the flyover. It's reduced me to hysteria taking 45 minutes to move a quarter of a mile. God knows what it's like in the rush hour. It's unusual for a council to admit they got it all wrong so credit where it's due.
I don't understand why they haven't removed the restrictions more quickly. Everything seemed the same around askew road on Saturday.
 
Typical council fuckwits, they don't give a shit about the impact it will have on the traffic. Some people actually do still have to drive!
I got stuck in these roadworks last week and it was absolute bedlam. They honestly couldn't have done a worse job if they'd tried. 😠🤬
try Durham feel sorry for a stranger trying to get into Durham Diversion signs misleading and they have made road along passed Durham School a bus lane and access only one way and have had to put someone at start to stop cars using it as signs misleading
 
Sunderland signed Tore Andre Flore to replace Niall Quinn and was never the same kind of player so it never worked out. Eventually cost Peter Reid his job and he got a lot of flack for the signing. I thought he did a great job for Sunderland but one mistake cost him. Not sure but I think Flore cost 8 million, a record signing.
He bought Flo but didn't change our tactics. He may as well have played Dichio and kept the cash. :scare:


Totally agree .... and when Reid took his foot of the pedal.. the writing was on the wall.... think he made more than one mistake - he just got lazy and freewheeled which you can't do in the Premiership. Overall did a great job.. but poor ending to his career .... and Murray didn't push him too much in awe of him.

He should have cheered up... but many great years pity about the ending

That song still makes me smile. Happy times. :)
 
Thank fuck Gateshead council have admitted they screwed up with their pathetic road closure scheme in order to put a cycle lane on the flyover. It's reduced me to hysteria taking 45 minutes to move a quarter of a mile. God knows what it's like in the rush hour. It's unusual for a council to admit they got it all wrong so credit where it's due.
Have you not tried riding a bike? :bomb::D
 
try Durham feel sorry for a stranger trying to get into Durham Diversion signs misleading and they have made road along passed Durham School a bus lane and access only one way and have had to put someone at start to stop cars using it as signs misleading
Must admit I thought the signs were canny. Two big yellow ones, bus gate painted on the road and two large white ones with the camera warning underneath. If there is a camera DCC will make a fortune as there's cars passing through every couple of minutes.
 
Must admit I thought the signs were canny. Two big yellow ones, bus gate painted on the road and two large white ones with the camera warning underneath. If there is a camera DCC will make a fortune as there's cars passing through every couple of minutes.
they have changed them from first week and people caught on camera got no ticket ( I not drove through) first week sign was as you came off roundabout and been told signs were not legal
 
For the amount of good Flo was he might as well have played Milton Nunez.:scare::scare:
He was probably better with his head. :lol:

I don't think any of us really appreciated just how exceptional Quinn was until he retired. Phillips got most of the plaudits, but Niall was about 70% of the Quinn/Phillips partnership. Super Kev was never the same again, and Peter Reid was only ever a successsful manager with Quinn in his team, be that team us or Manchester City.
 
They signed Flo and Marcus Stewart for £12m. They were panic buys. Reid knew he was going, and had even given notice on a flat he was renting. They should have strengthend the year before but pulled out of deals when players were interested in coming.
Bob Murray did a tremedous job but just didnt have the bottle to go to a higher level

Ah ok, that makes sense. I heard that they were panic buys but thought that meant there was no one else available at the time
 
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