Is it my perception or is there now a general drift back to punting and escorting?

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I've said previously that I do understand that some SPs may find themselves in a position where working appears to be the only option open to them and I've also said that I'd hate to find myself faced with that awful moral dilemma.

I've also previously said that I can think of no equivalent justification for SSs to be punting during these times. From my perspective that's totally irresponsible. I can't be clearer than that.
So when will it be safe to punt again? When there is a vaccine?
 
It is possible that more people who are asymptomatic or with very mild symptoms are being counted now. Hospital admissions are the the only consistent measure that's been counted and those figures are much lower than a couple of months ago. They don't seem to have started rising again but there could be a lag behind the new cases as it usually takes a while for symptoms to get to the hospital treatment stage.
At the very start of the epidemic only those admitted to hospital were being tested, the seven day average is now over 163,000 tests per day and the seven day average of cases found is 880 (so >162,000 don't have the virus). Inter alia testing involves care homes testing staff weekly (there has been a delay in getting this to all) and residents every 28 days so most of these will be asymptomatic or with very mild symptoms. Anyone who has a symptom can be tested.
 
At the very start of the epidemic only those admitted to hospital were being tested, the seven day average is now over 163,000 tests per day and the seven day average of cases found is 880 (so >162,000 don't have the virus). Inter alia testing involves care homes testing staff weekly (there has been a delay in getting this to all) and residents every 28 days so most of these will be asymptomatic or with very mild symptoms. Anyone who has a symptom can be tested.
What would you say is the point of these 'tests'?
 
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Where I am it feels like everyone's gone back to normality. Lack of masks and social distancing.

Not just regarding the land of punt but in general.
Yeah it's kind of like that here as well. Still a few friends avoiding pubs at the moment, gyms are still closed, and there's still a lot of folk working from home, but other than that it's very much back to normal.
 
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I thought the whole of Scotland lived in pubs, didn’t work and gyms didn’t exist?
Quite. In reality, everyone is on the dole and the entire Scottish economy is held up by the tax we siphon off from those hard working fuckers south of the border. We're all walking ticking timebombs of heart disease courtesy of Greggs, our blood is 90% alcohol (who needs a liver anyway right?) and 'gym' is a class you skip in school to go have a fly fag in the toilets.

And here we have the wild haggis in its natural habitat...

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Quite. In reality, everyone is on the dole and the entire Scottish economy is held up by the tax we siphon off from those hard working fuckers south of the border. We're all walking ticking timebombs of heart disease courtesy of Greggs, our blood is 90% alcohol (who needs a liver anyway right?) and 'gym' is a class you skip in school to go have a fly fag in the toilets.

And here we have the wild haggis in its natural habitat...

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Nice haggis
 
Quite. In reality, everyone is on the dole and the entire Scottish economy is held up by the tax we siphon off from those hard working fuckers south of the border. We're all walking ticking timebombs of heart disease courtesy of Greggs, our blood is 90% alcohol (who needs a liver anyway right?) and 'gym' is a class you skip in school to go have a fly fag in the toilets.

And here we have the wild haggis in its natural habitat...

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I ALWAYS wondered what they looked like alive! Aren't they cute 😆
 
Quite. In reality, everyone is on the dole and the entire Scottish economy is held up by the tax we siphon off from those hard working fuckers south of the border. We're all walking ticking timebombs of heart disease courtesy of Greggs, our blood is 90% alcohol (who needs a liver anyway right?) and 'gym' is a class you skip in school to go have a fly fag in the toilets.

And here we have the wild haggis in its natural habitat...

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Is it true that the wild haggis mainly eats badgers? :D
 
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I think your chances of catching it now are similar to having a road accident and the chance of dying is around ten times as much as dying from a road accident (but that's only if you're old and fat:-)
That comparison may well be correct, but it tells us absolutely nothing about punting safety.

These are overall statistics based on population averages. The majority of drivers try to stick to the rules of the road to ensure their own safety and the safety of others. Then there's a minority of idiots who totally ignore the rules and drive when drunk or drugged, massively exceed speed limits, or dangerously dashing from lane to lane to plough their way through traffic. I don't know the number of accidents and deaths caused by idiot drivers, but it'd be hard to argue it's not significantly higher than the headline statistics.

Unless you hold wildly unconventional views it's hard to argue that those that ignore the covid-19 rules and guidance such as masks, social distancing and avoiding undistanced contact between different households are likely to experience a much higher risk of catching or passing on the virus than the majority who try to stick to the rules. Although young people having street parties and packing into crowded bars hit the headlines, having sex with multiple partners from different households must surely be one of the most extreme ways of flouting the safety rules. Whether the sex is civvie or punting/escorting really makes no difference to the risk to those participating (or to others infected by those who participate).
 
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Quite. In reality, everyone is on the dole and the entire Scottish economy is held up by the tax we siphon off from those hard working fuckers south of the border. We're all walking ticking timebombs of heart disease courtesy of Greggs, our blood is 90% alcohol (who needs a liver anyway right?) and 'gym' is a class you skip in school to go have a fly fag in the toilets.

And here we have the wild haggis in its natural habitat...

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amazing what they teach in schools down south eh?...........BTW great pic .........:hi:
 
Not sure why there's even an issue. The government clearly said massage establishments are allowed to open and they're grown ups, they know that means 'massage' parlours too. I think the fact that sex work has been specifically not mentioned means that were supposed to work it out for ourselves to a degree as they've lifted the ban on sex with just a householder too. Although Manchester looks like it could potentially loose that right temporarily according to the papers.

Everyone is being encouraged back to work, the government has been very specific on which ones cannot open. Westminster is still mainly men, pimlico and Westminster is well known for exploits. I had a red briefcase arrive for a booking on the single tour I did to London. I'm pretty sure were covered legally by massage parlours.

Of course people should still stry to take precautions. I'm happy to wear a mask and do offer incase guys are embarrassed to ask and have done for a couple of guys and they too wore one, they were relieved I offered. I don't wear one by default as let's face it, 2 meters isn't really enough according to some science anyway, they disagree. I'm not kissing, I don't rim anyway .

It's that old saying ' we can only look after our own health' by default that should help look after others too whilst allowing us to get back to our new normal, whatever that is.

Those who know they are vulnerable or come into contact with others who are have to bear that responsibility and live their lives accordingly. Not everyone does have vulnerable people in their soere though and we cannot be the morality police

At some point people have to get back to life , real life and personal responsibility is key. I'm also limiting numbers, showered at start and finish. Not sure what else we can do as an industry but be careful
 
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What would you say is the point of these 'tests'?
I'd say the point is to find the small number of people who have the virus and then isolate and treat them plus trace anyone who may have been in contact with them so the the numbers with the virus can be pushed lower and lower. Whilst the number infected is currently quite low it could again rise to thousands per day in only a single month if we are not careful.
 
I'd say the point is to find the small number of people who have the virus and then isolate and treat them plus trace anyone who may have been in contact with them so the the numbers with the virus can be pushed lower and lower. Whilst the number infected is currently quite low it could again rise to thousands per day in only a single month if we are not careful.
Blanket testing at a large local employer revealed a positive, resulting in deep clean of the area and person who apparently was working in an isolated manner can be further isolated.
 
I'd say the point is to find the small number of people who have the virus and then isolate and treat them plus trace anyone who may have been in contact with them so the the numbers with the virus can be pushed lower and lower. Whilst the number infected is currently quite low it could again rise to thousands per day in only a single month if we are not careful.
That might be a worthwhile thing to do and was the usual way of going about things in the past.

That's not what's been happening. Instead some people, mostly but not exclusively public sector employees, are being offered tests, as at Haydock Park for example, and that's that.

Hardly any of these people test positive so the exercise achieves very little, if anything at all. Instead taxpayers are paying enormous amounts of money to provide purely private 'benefits'.

For example, I was speaking a couple at the begining of this week one of whom happens to be employed by a 'public' sector entity. They have each taken the test simply because they're going on holiday!

Meanwhile, people who are infected, and become ill, are excluded from testing and treatment so go entirely unreported.
 
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That might be a worthwhile thing to do and was the usual way of going about things in the past.

That's not what's been happening. Instead some people, mostly but not exclusively public sector employees, are being offered tests, as at Haydock Park for example, and that's that.

Hardly any of these people test positive so the exercise achieves very little, if anything at all. Instead taxpayers are paying enormous amounts of money to provide purely private 'benefits'.

For example, I was speaking a couple at the begining of this week one of whom happens to be employed by a 'public' sector entity. They have each taken the test simply because they're going on holiday!

Meanwhile, people who are infected, and become ill, are excluded from testing and treatment so go entirely unreported.
i don't understand why you say "people who are infected, and become ill, are excluded from testing and treatment so go entirely unreported" the dept health says you can get a test if you have even mild symptoms. On their website it says in big yellow letters "Do not wait"
There is the capacity for over 300k tests a day and this should be increasing in case of a flare up in the winter.
If I caught the virus now and had not been taking anything as a prophylactic I would actually start treatment straight away with quercetin and zinc plus vit C. Quercetin is a zinc ionophore like HCQ albeit not as effective but readily available at health food shops or online. Early treatment is essential it's no use giving it later if conditions worsen.
One of the problems with tracing is that many people are giving false names at restaurants etc they don't want to isolate if someone else there has the virus.
 
use giving it later if conditions
i don't understand why you say "people who are infected, and become ill, are excluded from testing and treatment so go entirely unreported" the dept health says you can get a test if you have even mild symptoms. On their website it says in big yellow letters "Do not wait"
There is the capacity for over 300k tests a day and this should be increasing in case of a flare up in the winter.
If I caught the virus now and had not been taking anything as a prophylactic I would actually start treatment straight away with quercetin and zinc plus vit C. Quercetin is a zinc ionophore like HCQ albeit not as effective but readily available at health food shops or online. Early treatment is essential it's no use giving it later if conditions worsen.
One of the problems with tracing is that many people are giving false names at restaurants etc they don't want to isolate if someone else there has the virus.
If you become ill you'll understand well enough.

I'm not one for drugs. Paracetamol helps though.
 
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Life support measures such as ventilators and ECMO have always been last resort measures, and used where the individual can no longer independently sustain life. However, there are potential complications with these, and they are being used more cautiously than when CV-19 was seen as an acute respiratory illness.

It's now known to be a systemic disease causing damage and problems in a range of organs and the vascular system. We've learned a lot and a range of treatments are tailored to the individual's presenting needs i.e. organ support, addressing inflammation, managing clotting, etc.

That said, the numbers of people hospitalised with CV-19 has plummeted. I transitioned back to my usual job last week, and I've started having lunches again :yahoo:
 
A friend of a friend died of Covid fairly early on. He spent several weeks on a ventilator and I can't help but wonder if his outcome would have been better if he'd caught it now, after various lessons have been learned.
I'm still not convinced that earlier Italian reports that the virus isn't as lethal as it was months ago don't have a kernel of truth in them
 
Like @Strawberryblonde has said there is a 4 week "window" for either party (SPs and punters) to give and receive AW FB before that window closes...

Pretty sure AW disabled all FB at the very end of March, and I've not personally seen any left for anyone in April, but could be wrong...
Someone left me feedback in April but if you see
when I left him feedback (the night of the meeting) I was mortified when I seen it has up and till this week I have stated at home and didn't want people to think I had punted over #lockdown and everyone's different and going to have their views on getting back to business but for me I felt was time and not solely for financial reasons either
 
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Too early to tell, and many of the recent cases seem to be in younger people who are less likely to require hospital and less likely to die from this.
Yep, tonight's lockdown in Preston is partly due to a big increase in infections in the under-30s. In the city centre this morning I noticed that roughly speaking, those aged 40+ were wearing masks where needed inside, but some younger weren't (although lots of 18-25 year olds were).
 
Yep, tonight's lockdown in Preston is partly due to a big increase in infections in the under-30s. In the city centre this morning I noticed that roughly speaking, those aged 40+ were wearing masks where needed inside, but some younger weren't (although lots of 18-25 year olds were).
I was going to dip my toes back in this weekend but I actually don’t think I’ll be fit enough to work this year unless it’s incredibly limited. I‘m actually gutted that I’m struggling as much as I am even now But if I can’t make it to shops and then back with two bags of shopping without crying or feeling like hell, how can I expect someone to pay for a service I can’t provide. Grateful for other income but I don’t like not having the choice.
 
A friend of a friend died of Covid fairly early on. He spent several weeks on a ventilator and I can't help but wonder if his outcome would have been better if he'd caught it now, after various lessons have been learned.
Unfortunately, sir, that seems to be the truth. The lessons along the way, I'm sure, have been immeasurable and responsible for where we are now. Sorry for your loss.
 
Unfortunately, sir, that seems to be the truth. The lessons along the way, I'm sure, have been immeasurable and responsible for where we are now. Sorry for your loss.
It has certainly influenced the way I've behaved and felt about the whole situation. Looking at the cold hard stats, he was very unlucky at his relatively young age. Seeing the devastation his death caused, makes the virus very real. The last conversation his wife had with him was via Skype just before he was put into an induced coma. He never woke up.
 
I get your questioning but I know in an area I live in, if there was any increase, that would make me feel threatened and afraid. What may seem like a small risk to some, it won’t be that way for others.
I understand it to hear about your concerns if you are a "vulnerable".

However unjustified bedwetting for some and hiding behind the sofa from the virus where 99.98% people survived seemed a bit of the overreaction.
 
I understand it to hear about your concerns if you are a "vulnerable".

However unjustified bedwetting for some and hiding behind the sofa from the virus where 99.98% people survived seemed a bit of the overreaction.
But is it really unjustified or bed wetting to be concerned? I feel like those are fairly derogatory terms. Xenia, you just need to read through this and other platforms to see how many people have been affected or know someone who has. People aren’t afraid for no reason.
 
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He was 47 with no other known health issues. Married with a daughter in her early teens. He fought for about 5 weeks in total and eventually they had to switch the machines off.
Very tragic indeed. So sorry to hear it.
However for the guy under 50yo and without underlying and known health issues died from so called "Covid", its highly unlikely if not impossible unless he is one in 0.03% stats from ONS data. He could have higher chance to die from the thunderstorm strike.
 
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But is it really unjustified or bed wetting to be concerned? I feel like those are fairly derogatory terms. Xenia, you just need to read through this and other platforms to see how many people have been affected or know someone who has. People aren’t afraid for no reason.
I understand it to hear about your concerns if you are a "vulnerable".

However unjustified bedwetting for some and hiding behind the sofa from the virus where 99.98% people survived seemed a bit of the overreaction.
I certainly think it would be better to be careful around the language at times.

I am broadly the same age as @xenia based on our ages at the time of Chernobyl. I take steroid medication for an eye condition - not a serious condition, but one that really can fucking hurt at times :scare::scare:. The level at which it is generally controlled is about half the level at which I would have been in the higher risk shielding category in March (but at some times over the years, the dosage i have been taking is double that level)

If I caught the virus and died, they would probably put me in the "pre existing condition" category, but if we met the only sign of that might be that you may think my eyes were a bit red as though i had had a bit of a late night the day before

The pre existing condition for a lot of people is not somebody who is going to be dying under normal circumstances in the near future
 
But is it really unjustified or bed wetting to be concerned? I feel like those are fairly derogatory terms. Xenia, you just need to read through this and other platforms to see how many people have been affected or know someone who has. People aren’t afraid for no reason.
Unfortunately Lola, people do scared:

For the "pandemic" where 99, 97% survive this so-called "disease", with the infections rate lower than some strains of flu, as well as
Is CV19 virus is so "deadly" you need to test for it, to know that you have it? :unknown:

All the people I know, who claimed that they had it, the symptoms of it were not much worse than a common cold. Loss of smell and taste was a major bugbear, as they did not enjoy to puff on the ciggy, or scoff Kobe stake. Not much more than that.

There are many more people affected by other diseases now when the whole NHS system shuts down on them! Why Covid (common cold, albeit a very nasty one) took a priority?
 
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Very tragic indeed. So sorry to hear it.
However for the guy under 50yo and without underlying and known health issues died from so called "Covid", its highly unlikely if not impossible unless he is one in 0.03% stats from ONS data. He could have higher chance to die from the thunderstorm strike.
I'm struggling to understand your point of view but if you feel that the virus is overrated, go and hang around crowds for a while and take your chances.
 
I certainly think it would be better to be careful around the language at times.

I am broadly the same age as @xenia based on our ages at the time of Chernobyl. I take steroid medication for an eye condition - not a serious condition, but one that really can fucking hurt at times :scare::scare:. The level at which it is generally controlled is about half the level at which I would have been in the higher risk shielding category in March (but at some times over the years, the dosage i have been taking is double that level)

If I caught the virus and died, they would probably put me in the "pre existing condition" category, but if we met the only sign of that might be that you may think my eyes were a bit red as though i had had a bit of a late night the day before

The pre existing condition for a lot of people is not somebody who is going to be dying under normal circumstances in the near future
"I certainly think it would be better to be careful around the language at times."

Soo people have to be careful with language because others may be specifically more "sensitivie" to it for personal reasons wether we're likely to know or not know?...

Wow! Free speech really is under attack these days :scare:

In this case @xenia has not spoken out of any context apart from expressing an opposing opinion regardless of whether others agree with it or not doesn't make it any more /less valid, she also expressed acknowledgement of thing's others might of gone through

"I understand it to hear about your concerns if you are a "vulnerable" "

So She's not exactly trolling or bullying here, she's stating something in a context that wether it "touch's a nerve personal or otherwise or not" isn't something that someone should be "careful" of in my opinion :hi:

(Disclaimer.. This is totally aimed at the defending of free speech itself and er definitely not in defence of @xenia just incase you guy's thought we were "bezzis" or some shit :dash:🤣...sorry girl! 😋)

What's next.. UKE "Safe Place"??? 🤔
No thanks! 👍
 
"I certainly think it would be better to be careful around the language at times."

Soo people have to be careful with language because others may be specifically more "sensitivie" to it for personal reasons wether we're likely to know or not know?...

Wow! Free speech really is under attack these days :scare:

In this case @xenia has not spoken out of any context apart from expressing an opposing opinion regardless of whether others agree with it or not doesn't make it any more /less valid, she also expressed acknowledgement of thing's others might of gone through

"I understand it to hear about your concerns if you are a "vulnerable" "

So She's not exactly trolling or bullying here, she's stating something in a context that wether it "touch's a nerve personal or otherwise or not" isn't something that someone should be "careful" of in my opinion :hi:

(Disclaimer.. This is totally aimed at the defending of free speech itself and er definitely not in defence of @xenia just incase you guy's thought we were "bezzis" or some shit :dash:🤣...sorry girl! 😋)

What's next.. UKE "Safe Place"??? 🤔
No thanks! 👍
Thanks Lilly. :rose: You definitely no need to "defend" me. I think I am doing good enough job myself (IMHO of course :cool:), however, it can be a struggle sometimes.

Never mind. (I typed another three-paragraph here) but deleted it. No fucking point.
 
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Unfortunately Lola, people do scared:

For the "pandemic" where 99, 97% survive this so-called "disease", with the infections rate lower than some strains of flu, as well as
Is CV19 virus is so "deadly" you need to test for it, to know that you have it? :unknown:

All the people I know, who claimed that they had it, the symptoms of it were not much worse than a common cold. Loss of smell and taste was a major bugbear, as they did not enjoy to puff on the ciggy, or scoff Kobe stake. Not much more than that.

There are many more people affected by other diseases now when the whole NHS system shuts down on them! Why Covid (common cold, albeit a very nasty one) took a priority?
As someone who took ill 3 times over 7/8 Weeks and I can now barely carry my shopping home without crying, I can tell you there’s every reason to be afraid. Don’t be dismissive about it. I’ve more or less written off returning to work at all this year as I’m floored.
I don’t think it’s necessary to compare other infections or diseases, this isn’t a game of one up on the other. This is people being really poorly, suffering and dying. I know it’s your manner to be matter of fact but a little empathy and humility wouldn’t go amiss sometimes.
 
As someone who took ill 3 times over 7/8 Weeks and I can now barely carry my shopping home without crying, I can tell you there’s every reason to be afraid. Don’t be dismissive about it. I’ve more or less written off returning to work at all this year as I’m floored.
I don’t think it’s necessary to compare other infections or diseases, this isn’t a game of one up on the other. This is people being really poorly, suffering and dying. I know it’s your manner to be matter of fact but a little empathy and humility wouldn’t go amiss sometimes.
Lola: Lots of people were suffering from the various flu strains prior to Covid, and dying after complications of it in the terrible pain from bronchitis severe pneumonia, COPD, sepsis, etc.
In fact, more died from Flu in 2017 from January until July, then in the same 6 months period from "Covid" this year. (It's on ONS website, you can check it yourself). Somehow I don't think they peacefully and pain-free passed away in their sleep.

Sorry to hear how poorly you were recently. I was also in 2017. I called it: "Sardinian flu", as I got it during the trip in Sardinia (nothing to do with Sardinia of course). I did want to die then, as I did no had any strength and desire to live. It was that bad! Was to sick even to find a rope, never mind to make noose then to hang myself. It was only a Flu though.
 
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Lola: Lots of people were suffering from the various flu strains prior to Covid, and dying after complications of it in the terrible pain from bronchitis severe pneumonia, COPD, sepsis, etc.
In fact, more died from Flu in 2017 from January until July, then in the same 6 months period from "Covid" this year. (It's on ONS website, you can check it yourself). Somehow I don't think they peacefully and pain-free passed away in their sleep.

Sorry to hear how poorly you were recently. I was also in 2017. I called it: "Sardinian flu", as I got it during the trip in Sardinia (nothing to do with Sardinia of course). I did want to die then, as I did no had any strength and desire to live. It was that bad. Was to sick even to find a rope, never mind to make noose then to hang myself. It was only a Flu though.
Xenia, as much as we clash, I do actually adore you.

My mum was in for five weeks and I’m certain this is how I became unwell. I just hate the thought of making light of it when I have now not seen her since March (going home this weekend tho), I haven’t been able to keep on top of my home and simple tasks are now really not very simple at alll. I got my hair done last weekend and actually being in contact with people made me nervous and a bit giddy all at once. I guess a lot depends on your approach to life, I am naturally very nervous and even knowing I couldn’t risk seeing my mum who doesn’t keep well, I don’t have much in the way of family so I’ve been very much on my own trying to be rational, and I say that loosely.
We’re all adapting to this differently and maybe that’s the biggest thing to understand x
 
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Xenia, as much as we clash, I do actually adore you.

My mum was in for five weeks and I’m certain this is how I became unwell. I just hate the thought of making light of it when I have now not seen her since March (going home this weekend tho), I haven’t been able to keep on top of my home and simple tasks are now really not very simple at alll. I got my hair done last weekend and actually being in contact with people made me nervous and a bit giddy all at once. I guess a lot depends on your approach to life, I am naturally very nervous and even knowing I couldn’t risk seeing my mum who doesn’t keep well, I don’t have much in the way of family so I’ve been very much on my own trying to be rational, and I say that loosely.
We’re all adapting to this differently and maybe that’s the biggest thing to understand x
I've read about you personal problems before and admire your strength in dealing with it.
Night Lola. x
P.S I will reply properly later today. I am totally expired now.
 
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In fact, more died from Flu in 2017 from January until July, then in the same 6 months period from "Covid" this year. (It's on ONS website, you can check it yourself). Somehow I don't think they peacefully and pain-free passed away in their sleep.
Without wanting to get too involved in the discussion, the first death in this country from Covid didn't happen until the very end of February or beginning of March. So, in that respect, you're not comparing like for like, as one illness is spread over months and one over 4 and a bit.
 
Thought I had a really bad cold but then it was diagnosed pneumonia spending two weeks in hospital and testing positive for COVID 19.

I don’t think I could physically punt at the moment, my lungs were buggered and I was getting out of breath very easily. I’ve taken up cycling to restore my lung capacity but doctors say this could take up to six months, I won’t punting for a while.
 
Thought I had a really bad cold but then it was diagnosed pneumonia spending two weeks in hospital and testing positive for COVID 19.

I don’t think I could physically punt at the moment, my lungs were buggered and I was getting out of breath very easily. I’ve taken up cycling to restore my lung capacity but doctors say this could take up to six months, I won’t punting for a while.
you'll know yourself when you're fit enough to get back to normal (and punting duties) ..
just don't try to rush things :hi:
 
[QUOTE="Whitewalker, post: 292585, member: 223"]Without wanting to get too involved in the discussion, the first death in this country from Covid didn't happen until the very end of February or beginning of March. So, in that respect, you're not comparing like for like, as one illness is spread over months and one over 4 and a bit.[/QUOTE]
The virus in Europe (including the UK) probably was much earlier, some estimate it as back in November/December, but was not identified and named as Sars-Cov-2 then.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52935644
 
Wow!..... no words....:dash:
Why post then? If you disagree with something then say so.

Have a look at how many under 45yo died, and most of these people are with co-morbidities and underlying health conditions. The number of people who died from Covid without them considerably lower.

Healthy under-50s are more likely to die from a car accident or an injury than Covid-19, leading statistician says...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-likely-die-car-accident-injury-Covid-19.html



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Very tragic indeed. So sorry to hear it.
However for the guy under 50yo and without underlying and known health issues died from so called "Covid", its highly unlikely if not impossible unless he is one in 0.03% stats from ONS data. He could have higher chance to die from the thunderstorm strike.
You really are a bit of a cunt sometimes. I’d have thought at your age you’d take covid a bit more seriously.
 
Very tragic indeed. So sorry to hear it.
However for the guy under 50yo and without underlying and known health issues died from so called "Covid", its highly unlikely if not impossible unless he is one in 0.03% stats from ONS data. He could have higher chance to die from the thunderstorm strike.
Unlucky? Yes. But also still dead.

His widow and mentally scarred child will take little solace from the stats.

I don't mind you being blunt and your trolling is of a high standard, but your stance on "so called Covid" still puzzles me. What do think has caused the thousands of excess deaths in pretty much every country on earth?

I look forward to a YouTube clip.
 
As someone who took ill 3 times over 7/8 Weeks and I can now barely carry my shopping home without crying, I can tell you there’s every reason to be afraid. Don’t be dismissive about it. I’ve more or less written off returning to work at all this year as I’m floored.
I don’t think it’s necessary to compare other infections or diseases, this isn’t a game of one up on the other. This is people being really poorly, suffering and dying. I know it’s your manner to be matter of fact but a little empathy and humility wouldn’t go amiss sometimes.
Many years ago I had a proper dose of flu, 2 weeks in bed, 5 weeks off work. 3 month phased return to work. Goodness knows how many doses of medication.
9 months after really struggling to put one foot in front of the other the doctor insisted he sign me off work. I took a month off, spent 3 weeks in Malta doing sod all, and only then did I start to recover.
Please take care and try to look after yourself. Not easy as I found out, but when I put myself first it helped.
 
Many years ago I had a proper dose of flu, 2 weeks in bed, 5 weeks off work. 3 month phased return to work. Goodness knows how many doses of medication.
9 months after really struggling to put one foot in front of the other the doctor insisted he sign me off work. I took a month off, spent 3 weeks in Malta doing sod all, and only then did I start to recover.
Please take care and try to look after yourself. Not easy as I found out, but when I put myself first it helped.
thank you, I’m doing what i can to make my life a little nicer While I recover, I don’t intend to work this year now, x
 
Unlucky? Yes. But also still dead.

His widow and mentally scarred child will take little solace from the stats.

I don't mind you being blunt and your trolling is of a high standard, but your stance on "so called Covid" still puzzles me. What do think has caused the thousands of excess deaths in pretty much every country on earth?

I look forward to a YouTube clip.
And how many excess deaths are the result of Lockdown, and not Covid? Check Today Telegraph article (not linking it), 16.000, and even that very modest estimation. Many of those people had decades of life ahead of them, and not a few years/months (as the case with Covid).

Undoubtedly terrible disease for a small group of people, while 99.93% of the global population not going to die from it.
 
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Up until fairly recent times, possibly as recent as the latter part of the twentieth century, people would barely have batted an eyelid at Covid19 ... barely even have been aware of its presence with far more serious illnesses and infections both endemic and in frequently occurring epidemic spikes.
There are probably some countries in Africa where this is still the case.

Compared to the plague, cholera, typhoid, malaria, tuberculosis and many other once ( or still in some places ) common infections Covid seems mild.

It is a novel infection though and as such it doesn't seem well understood. The response to it may in part reflect this unknown element. What is the ' best ' approach to take could come down to personal circumstances whilst where possible still being considerate of those who wish to take safer approaches to it.

As already said I'm no longer blacklisting based on returning escorts - only those who worked during full lockdown are permanently on that list. Short of a vaccine measures are now in place and things do have to get back to normal, especially when for most people this infection is not something that they will suffer too badly with.

I have no plans to make any bookings for the indefinite future as I am higher risk, that doesn't mean I expect others to do the same as me at this stage.
 
Undoubtedly terrible disease for a small group of people, while 99.93% of the global population not going to die from it.
I thought that the mortality rate was somewhere around 1% which would mean your figure includes people who have not ( yet ) been infected. A bit like saying 99.9% of the world's population are not going to die from being shot in the head.
 
And how many excess deaths are the result of Lockdown, and not Covid? Check Today Telegraph article (not linking it), 16.000, and even that very modest estimation. Many of those people had decades of life ahead of them, and not a few years/months (as the case with Covid).

Undoubtedly terrible disease for a small group of people, while 99.93% of the global population not going to die from it.
When will Covid-19 end? You seem to be on it...So just asking on a need to know basis.... :hi:
 
I thought that the mortality rate was somewhere around 1% which would mean your figure includes people who have not ( yet ) been infected. A bit like saying 99.9% of the world's population are not going to die from being shot in the head.
Is not 1%. The global population increasing considerably faster, then the rate of infections/number of deaths.
Your "shot in the head" metaphor is ridiculous.
 
When will Covid-19 end? You seem to be on it...So just asking on a need to know basis.... :hi:
There never was a virus. It was an invention by Bill Gates so he could make money selling vaccine.
Also any illnesses were caused by people standing too close to mobile 'phone masts.
Rainbows are not caused by the firmament because the earth is really flat.
The whole saga was caused by 'them' in order to control us and turn us into sheeples.
It's just a trial run by aliens to take over the universe. Worse is to come.

Where the fuck have you been for the last year?
 
Is not 1%. The global population increasing considerably faster, then the rate of infections/number of deaths.
Your "shot in the head" metaphor is ridiculous.
Your 99.93% survival figure is ridiculous in conjunction with your belief that the only route is herd immunity/endemic infection.

The mortality rate for the population as a whole is not 0.07%; that is presumably the death toll so far.
 
Your 99.93% survival figure is ridiculous in conjunction with your belief that the only route is herd immunity/endemic infection.

The mortality rate for the population as a whole is not 0.07%; that is presumably the death toll so far.
interesting to look at the graph age vs mortality (excess) in previous post......now its the under 30s getting sick but I suspect they have a better handle on how to treat cases now.?
 
Your 99.93% survival figure is ridiculous in conjunction with your belief that the only route is herd immunity/endemic infection.

The mortality rate for the population as a whole is not 0.07%; that is presumably the death toll so far.
Let me see the best number I can find for the UK population is 67,920,084 https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/uk-population/. So for 46,364 deaths that would be 0.07% or the fact 99.93% haven’t died from Covid.
 
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