Is it my perception or is there now a general drift back to punting and escorting?

AW removed the Escort booking form a week or two into lockdown apart from a small window a week or so ago when reverse bookings suddenly reappeared, the ability to use a booking form which then enables feedback to be left has not been available.
Ah, I see. So it's all been private bookings and no feedback. So neither side truly knows if their next appointment will be with someone who was reckless during lockdown? That's a pity, as even though I understand the economics and many WG's will not declare their earnings so could not claim furlough, I'd still prefer (when I do eventually start again) not to arrange meetings with those who never stopped working, but how will we know? :unknown:
 
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Given that there's now a spike in Pendle as well as Blackburn/Darwen, I'm continuing to hold off. I appreciate the statistical risk of contracting COVID may be low, but there's also more and more data coming through about the pathology, which is frankly pretty scary, basically systemic effects, some of which could be life-long. I don't think there's ever been an equivalent disease.
 
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I just had a look at AW and yes there are availability lights on, however, a check on some of the girls I've seen shows they haven't had feedback since before shutdown. So maybe a drift, but a pretty slow one overall.
I think AW froze the feedback and booking system during the pandemic - so the lack of feedback is not a useful guide anyway

Edit: i didnt see this had already been answered (and more fully/better)
 
I see a few Scottish escorts are now back working and I assume by doing so they will be taking a risk with their health. The current social distancing rules prevent any real intimacy, so what are these escorts offering? I suspect punters are not spending money for a two metre, half hour chat with a semi clad/naked escort? I assume the usual services will be on offer to punters who will then go back home to their families, or to their work places. Likewise escorts will go back to their homes and families after the days work not knowing if they are infected.

I sympathise that money will be tight at the moment, however, is that not why the governments self employed financial help scheme was set up? Or has that now stopped? :unknown:
 
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I see a few Scottish escorts are now back working and I assume by doing so they will be taking a risk with their health. The current social distancing rules prevent any real intimacy, so what are these escorts offering? I suspect punters are not spending money for a two metre, half hour chat with a semi clad/naked escort? I assume the usual services will be on offer to punters who will then go back home to their families, or to their work places. Likewise escorts will go back to their homes and families after the days work not knowing if they are infected.

I sympathise that money will be tight at the moment, however, is that not why the governments self employed financial help scheme was set up? Or has that now stopped? :unknown:
There are quite a few people that the self employed financial help scheme would not have helped at all
 
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I see a few Scottish escorts are now back working and I assume by doing so they will be taking a risk with their health. The current social distancing rules prevent any real intimacy, so what are these escorts offering? I suspect punters are not spending money for a two metre, half hour chat with a semi clad/naked escort? I assume the usual services will be on offer to punters who will then go back home to their families, or to their work places. Likewise escorts will go back to their homes and families after the days work not knowing if they are infected.

I sympathise that money will be tight at the moment, however, is that not why the governments self employed financial help scheme was set up? Or has that now stopped? :unknown:
Not everyone qualified. My friend who runs a beauty business from home for 2 years was offered £90 for the grant. Insulting really.
 
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Self employed get one final payment in August mate, 70% this time not 80. It does seen many escorts are back working daily there must be demand.
As to why some escorts aren't getting help, some won't be self employed be doing it on the black.
 
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I wonder if some punters will look back at this summer from a possible (and far more deadly) second wave this winter and see it as a window of lost opportunity, especially given the dampening down of the initial optimism of producing a working vaccine in the next few months (if ever)?

Yes, you would be playing Russian roulette punting at the present time, but life is full of examples of humans prepared to take far greater risks for their own pleasure. Just look at the death rate for base jumpers (about one in sixty) or F1 drivers in the 1960s, where in one year alone (1968) 10% of the drivers lost their lives.

The Office for National Statistics estimated that in the two weeks up to 5 July just under 1 in 4000 people (or 0,035%) were infected by the virus. But the infection rate is not uniform and so presuming you are punting outside of some of the higher risk
areas (such as Leicester) then the infection rate drops considerably again.

If you consider that the statistics are in your favour in the risk/benefit equation that punting, to some extent, always carries, how can you mitigate this risk? No kissing, no OWO, careful showering, finding an SP that disinfects the room between clients?

Given what we know about how the virus is passed on, an SP and SS being in very close proximity for 30 mins to an hour is probably going to make any of these precautions superfluous. Is a no kissing rule going to make any difference during this very intimate and close encounter?

if you are going to punt then finding a low volume provider would surely statistically be your best way of reducing your chances of being exposed to the virus.

I’m certainly no statistician, so please forgive these “back of the fag packet” musings if they are incorrect:

An escort seeing four clients per day five days per week has a 1 in 200 chance of exposure to the virus in any one week, whereas an SS that intends to see one every two weeks (as some on here have stated) has an average 1 in 8000 chance of exposure over the same period.

The very low volume provider would seem to be 40 times less likely to have contact with someone carrying the virus and therefore carry a very considerable lower risk to the punter. Couple this with the fact that the higher volume provider is likely to have a very gung-ho attitude to protecting themselves outside of the bedroom, if you are going to punt finding a low volume provider would appear to be by far the greatest factor in reducing your risk of exposure.

in another thread there was an opinion that those stating that seeing regulars was less risky were at best extremely naive, however, when there seems to be a general opinion that neither SP or SS should trust each other surely a clear indication that your regular is low volume is her availability when you try and book. The regular who often says that she is busy but can see you in a certain window is far more likely to see more clients than the one who can usually accommodate your request, or only works for very limited number of days. Over the months or years you can build a fairly accurate picture of how high or low volume a regular actually is.

Sorry, I didn’t realise how long this “thinking aloud post“ was going to be when I started, but to conclude: if you wish to negate the risk - don’t punt until it is safe (but when will that be?); if you consider the risk is now at a level where you might consider punting then you can mitigate that risk by booking an escort that you are fairly certain is a very low volume provider - more likely than not a regular rather than a first visit to an SS that takes your fancy on AW.
No lost opportunities punting has never been that important to me, other things that have been affected by it maybe lost opportunities.
The low volume regs thing is a load of shit trust nobody believe nobody in this game
 
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Self employed get one final payment in August mate, 70% this time not 80. It does seen many escorts are back working daily there must be demand.
As to why some escorts aren't getting help, some won't be self employed be doing it on the black.
Or if they started after April 2019 when they would not get a penny.

And if they started in the previous year but more than half their income was employment income they wouldn't get a penny.

Or if their profits were £50,001 they also wouldn't get a penny.

If they were declaring the income through a limited company they also would get pretty much nothing

But of course it is perfectly fine for you to generalise - but a lot of people who were following the rules perfectly correctly missed out and got nothing
 
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I think there is a lot more SS active and SP providing than being openly admitted, in addition to plenty that are being open about it. I’ve been contacted by two ladies this week letting me know that they are now working. As always it is personal choice and I’m not resuming yet and may not permanently.
 
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Or if they started after April 2019 when they would not get a penny.

And if they started in the previous year but more than half their income was employment income they wouldn't get a penny.

Or if their profits were £50,001 they also wouldn't get a penny.

If they were declaring the income through a limited company they also would get pretty much nothing

But of course it is perfectly fine for you to generalise - but a lot of people who were following the rules perfectly correctly missed out and got nothing
Or if they have simply chosen not to pay tax
 
snap.........but my employees were ok..........good job punting stopped an my personal overhead reduced significantly........?
My employees are okay too for now.. And I’m doing all I possibly can to retain them. But times are tough. When I don’t get any rates assistance, nor any other business assistance, my fixed overheads are killing me. And that, alongside nobody having any money to spend or at least being much more careful with it, makes it worrying times.
 
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Or if they have simply chosen not to pay tax
That too yes, but we do not know either way.

The scheme was generous to most people but also very unfair on some people caught in those categories who have not done anything wrong - but just where they did not fit into some arbitrary criteria (some of which are understandable, but some i suspect were excluded almost by mistake because their situation was not really considered)
 
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My employees are okay too for now.. And I’m doing all I possibly can to retain them. But times are tough. When I don’t get any rates assistance, nor any other business assistance, my fixed overheads are killing me. And that, alongside nobody having any money to spend or at least being much more careful with it, makes it worrying times.
True an my worry is the time it will take to pick up mebbe 6-12 months after factories reopen properly...?... oh no forgettin brexit..
 
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The low volume regs thing is a load of shit trust nobody believe nobody in this game
Which was exactly the point I have made twice already in this thread. You are much more likely to know what a long term regular is up to, you don’t have to take her word for it. A couple of my regs I know are moderate to high volume (for independents), whilst the other two are much lower - if you have long term regs over a few years you get to know how busy they are from their availability when you try and book them.
 
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Which was exactly the point I have made twice already in this thread. You are much more likely to know what a long term regular is up to, you don’t have to take her word for it. A couple of my regs I know are moderate to high volume (for independents), whilst the other two are much lower - if you have long term regs over a few years you get to know how busy they are from their availability when you try and book them.
You just have to be careful making an assumption that you assume too much.

My milkman has been regularly dropping off milk for months but I've no idea how many people he's chatting to without a mask and how safe he is. I cannot make the assumption that because I know him well, I can judge him safe to stand next to and chat without a mask.
 
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That too yes, but we do not know either way.

The scheme was generous to most people but also very unfair on some people caught in those categories who have not done anything wrong - but just where they did not fit into some arbitrary criteria (some of which are understandable, but some i suspect were excluded almost by mistake because their situation was not really considered)
I wouldn't have been given any help due to
Which was exactly the point I have made twice already in this thread. You are much more likely to know what a long term regular is up to, you don’t have to take her word for it. A couple of my regs I know are moderate to high volume (for independents), whilst the other two are much lower - if you have long term regs over a few years you get to know how busy they are from their availability when you try and book them.
Horseshit I've had regs I wouldn't have a clue how busy they are or not. Then again I punt and fuckoff and don't bother further contact unless for another booking.
If thinking you know how busy a escort is makes you feel special crack on
 
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You just have to be careful making an assumption that you assume too much.

My milkman has been regularly dropping off milk for months but I've no idea how many people he's chatting to without a mask and how safe he is. I cannot make the assumption that because I know him well, I can judge him safe to stand next to and chat without a mask.
is the birth rate up in your area.?............:D
 
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I wouldn't have been given any help due to

Horseshit I've had regs I wouldn't have a clue how busy they are or not. Then again I punt and fuckoff and don't bother further contact unless for another booking.
If thinking you know how busy a escort is makes you feel special crack on
its an industry of........well.........economical wi the truthers......?
 
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Not everyone qualified. My friend who runs a beauty business from home for 2 years was offered £90 for the grant. Insulting really.
I got less than half of what I'd calculated I was elgible for. I appealed it with all my figures etc, and still only got the amount they decided I was getting. If I'd only had the grant to rely on I would've been fucked and I'm lucky that my outgoings beyond rent are very mimimal. Also if this had all happened in my first year of civvy work self-employment, I would've got absolutely zero because I didn't make any profit. So people who only make enough to live on won't get anything from the grant.
 
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Horseshit I've had regs I wouldn't have a clue how busy they are or not. Then again I punt and fuckoff and don't bother further contact unless for another booking.
If thinking you know how busy a escort is makes you feel special crack on
You punt your way and I’ll punt mine, but you seem to have the arrogance to “know” how I operate. Fine, I can see you are incapable of empathy and just spout out the same tropes over multiple threads.
 
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I got less than half of what I'd calculated I was elgible for. I appealed it with all my figures etc, and still only got the amount they decided I was getting. If I'd only had the grant to rely on I would've been fucked and I'm lucky that my outgoings beyond rent are very mimimal. Also if this had all happened in my first year of civvy work self-employment, I would've got absolutely zero because I didn't make any profit. So people who only make enough to live on won't get anything from the grant.
My figure "seemed" to be incorrect too. It was in the opposite way to yours and i thought it would, er, seem rude at a time when they were probably very busy to contact them to ask how they worked it out.

I suspect they will balance it out with the next payment
 
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Where does empathy come into this?
I think you're deluded if you believe you think you know how your regs operate
Fair enough, that’s what you think, I think otherwise, but you are making a whole host of assumptions to draw your conclusions that I think I am “special” and that I am “deluded”. You are correct though that “empathy” wasn’t quite the right word to use in this context.
 
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My figure "seemed" to be incorrect too. It was in the opposite way to yours and i thought it would, er, seem rude at a time when they were probably very busy to contact them to ask how they worked it out.

I suspect they will balance it out with the next payment
They'd have no hesitation in chasing me up if they overpaid, so I don't think there's anything rude about appealing being underpaid. I'd been very conservative with my calculations too, so it was a big shock. 🤣

Like I said though, I feel lucky because of it being 2020 and not the first year I went self-employed. I've managed to come out the other side of this with no debts or rent arrears, and food on the table for myself and my pets. Others won't have been as lucky and through no fault of their own.
 
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Fair enough, that’s what you think, I think otherwise, but you are making a whole host of assumptions to draw your conclusions that I think I am “special” and that I am “deluded”. You are correct though that “empathy” wasn’t quite the right word to use in this context.
And you're making assumptions that you know how your regs work
 
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I thought the scheme had been extended until October?
It says on the website that “Claims for this second and final grant will be open between 17 August to 19 October.”
I think that is the dates you can make a claim.

But the period you can claim money for is up to the end of august.

The first scheme for March to May just closed for claimants, so the new one opens for claims next month relating to June to August (but at the lower rate)
 
He said he doesn't kiss in response, other mucous membranes are available though. Up to each participant to undertake their own risk assessment in my view.
But it's really not that simple is it? As punters and escorts we have always made our own risk assessments and acted accordingly. Overwhelmingly the risks we've weighed have been to the health of ourselves and the SP/SS we meet.

However, in the middle of a serious pandemic, punting must be the single most efficient way to transmit the infection given the prolonged intimate contact that it involves - I don't believe it's possible to avoid that being the case (even if kissing is taken off the menu). The risks to health could be the start of an infectious chain that could result in death or serious illness to people in no way involved in the encounter. These people have not had the opportunity to agree with the risk assessments that the SS and SP have made - they're just innocent victims of the selfish acts of others.

One UKE SP gave the reason why she was not working as "Due to not wanting to contribute to the spread of Coronavirus" - very succinctly put. In the simple words of the director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Dr Anthony Fauci, "If you get infected and spread the infection, even though you do not get sick, you are part of the process of the dynamics of an outbreak in what you might be propagating, [and] inadvertently is infecting someone who then infects someone who then is someone who is vulnerable. That could be your grandmother, your grandfather, your sick uncle, who winds up dying." (the emphasis is mine).

So are SPs and SSs who are punting/working unaware of the pretty undisputed dynamics of the spread and effect of covid-19? That seems unlikely. Perhaps a few don't care what happens to other people (psychopaths) and some may be highly skilled at the art of self delusion and can try and pretend the facts are wrong because they are not aligned with what they want to do. Others will resort to that all too common and very weak "social proof" justification that "everybody else is doing it". Ultimately, only we are responsible for the decisions we take and for the consequences that result from those decisions.

I've tried to be objective, and it's a pretty depressing picture. The facts aren't going to change any time soon, even though hopefully the prevalence of covid-19 will decrease and we can hopefully manage to avoid a second spike. Punters have the freedom to act responsibly and not punt for the foreseeable future - clearly I believe they should. The choice for SPs who have relied on escorting as their only significant source of income to fund themselves and any dependents can become an impossibly difficult one. They may see no alternative to starting to work again even though they realise how antisocial that is - I'm so glad I don't have to make that choice.
 
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But it's really not that simple is it? As punters and escorts we have always made our own risk assessments and acted accordingly. Overwhelmingly the risks we've weighed have been to the health of ourselves and the SP/SS we meet.

However, in the middle of a serious pandemic, punting must be the single most efficient way to transmit the infection given the prolonged intimate contact that it involves - I don't believe it's possible to avoid that being the case (even if kissing is taken off the menu). The risks to health could be the start of an infectious chain that could result in death or serious illness to people in no way involved in the encounter. These people have not had the opportunity to agree with the risk assessments that the SS and SP have made - they're just innocent victims of the selfish acts of others.

One UKE SP gave the reason why she was not working as "Due to not wanting to contribute to the spread of Coronavirus" - very succinctly put. In the simple words of the director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Dr Anthony Fauci, "If you get infected and spread the infection, even though you do not get sick, you are part of the process of the dynamics of an outbreak in what you might be propagating, [and] inadvertently is infecting someone who then infects someone who then is someone who is vulnerable. That could be your grandmother, your grandfather, your sick uncle, who winds up dying." (the emphasis is mine).

So are SPs and SSs who are punting/working unaware of the pretty undisputed dynamics of the spread and effect of covid-19? That seems unlikely. Perhaps a few don't care what happens to other people (psychopaths) and some may be highly skilled at the art of self delusion and can try and pretend the facts are wrong because they are not aligned with what they want to do. Others will resort to that all too common and very weak "social proof" justification that "everybody else is doing it". Ultimately, only we are responsible for the decisions we take and for the consequences that result from those decisions.

I've tried to be objective, and it's a pretty depressing picture. The facts aren't going to change any time soon, even though hopefully the prevalence of covid-19 will decrease and we can hopefully manage to avoid a second spike. Punters have the freedom to act responsibly and not punt for the foreseeable future - clearly I believe they should. The choice for SPs who have relied on escorting as their only significant source of income to fund themselves and any dependents can become an impossibly difficult one. They may see no alternative to starting to work again even though they realise how antisocial that is - I'm so glad I don't have to make that choice.
So do punters have freedom (in your words) or not? People are free to make their own decisions - if they choose to believe the media then that is their right. Many do not as is evinced by the growing number of reviews on the other site. The infection curve is now showing a near-bottom so for many the lockdown is over, the oft-touted "second wave" of beach visitors, VE day, organised riots, workers sardined on tubes and and and never happened.

It's up to the individuals concerned to assess their own tolerable levels of risk as I said. Playing what-if taken to extreme levels means some will never leave their houses again. If you are at risk of respiratory infection then you can choose not to participate of your own free will if it makes you feel better, but demanding others free will be removed is an extremely slippery slope. I've already argued this government is a tyranny but those who buy into stripping their own freedoms and sagely nodding as this happens are only enabling the further slide into totalitarianism.

I myself am choosing to refrain as I am prone to such infections, do I want to curtail the actions of others, no. I don't need to be told how to think.
 
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But it's really not that simple is it? As punters and escorts we have always made our own risk assessments and acted accordingly. Overwhelmingly the risks we've weighed have been to the health of ourselves and the SP/SS we meet.

However, in the middle of a serious pandemic, punting must be the single most efficient way to transmit the infection given the prolonged intimate contact that it involves - I don't believe it's possible to avoid that being the case (even if kissing is taken off the menu). The risks to health could be the start of an infectious chain that could result in death or serious illness to people in no way involved in the encounter. These people have not had the opportunity to agree with the risk assessments that the SS and SP have made - they're just innocent victims of the selfish acts of others.

One UKE SP gave the reason why she was not working as "Due to not wanting to contribute to the spread of Coronavirus" - very succinctly put. In the simple words of the director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Dr Anthony Fauci, "If you get infected and spread the infection, even though you do not get sick, you are part of the process of the dynamics of an outbreak in what you might be propagating, [and] inadvertently is infecting someone who then infects someone who then is someone who is vulnerable. That could be your grandmother, your grandfather, your sick uncle, who winds up dying." (the emphasis is mine).

So are SPs and SSs who are punting/working unaware of the pretty undisputed dynamics of the spread and effect of covid-19? That seems unlikely. Perhaps a few don't care what happens to other people (psychopaths) and some may be highly skilled at the art of self delusion and can try and pretend the facts are wrong because they are not aligned with what they want to do. Others will resort to that all too common and very weak "social proof" justification that "everybody else is doing it". Ultimately, only we are responsible for the decisions we take and for the consequences that result from those decisions.

I've tried to be objective, and it's a pretty depressing picture. The facts aren't going to change any time soon, even though hopefully the prevalence of covid-19 will decrease and we can hopefully manage to avoid a second spike. Punters have the freedom to act responsibly and not punt for the foreseeable future - clearly I believe they should. The choice for SPs who have relied on escorting as their only significant source of income to fund themselves and any dependents can become an impossibly difficult one. They may see no alternative to starting to work again even though they realise how antisocial that is - I'm so glad I don't have to make that choice.
Thank God we don't have pre-crime unit. There's a few virus spreaders will be getting tickled with a sick stick.

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So do punters have freedom (in your words) or not? People are free to make their own decisions - if they choose to believe the media then that is their right. Many do not as is evinced by the growing number of reviews on the other site. The infection curve is now showing a near-bottom so for many the lockdown is over, the oft-touted "second wave" of beach visitors, VE day, organised riots, workers sardined on tubes and and and never happened.

It's up to the individuals concerned to assess their own tolerable levels of risk as I said. Playing what-if taken to extreme levels means some will never leave their houses again. If you are at risk of respiratory infection then you can choose not to participate of your own free will if it makes you feel better, but demanding others free will be removed is an extremely slippery slope. I've already argued this government is a tyranny but those who buy into stripping their own freedoms and sagely nodding as this happens are only enabling the further slide into totalitarianism.

I myself am choosing to refrain as I am prone to such infections, do I want to curtail the actions of others, no. I don't need to be told how to think.
I suspect based on the very few times I have caught trains into London over the last 4 months, that the pictures they take of the tube are veryunrepresentative because they simply pick the moment they know will be busiest at the busiest stations
 
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I suspect based on the very few times I have caught trains into London over the last 4 months, that the pictures they take of the tube are veryunrepresentative because they simply pick the moment they know will be busiest at the busiest stations
Of course, the same way as a drone shot changes a packed beach into a quiet one. The point is the "second wave" isn't there despite the media trying to will it into existence! Do I need my ability to assess my own personal risk spoon-fed to me by a shrieking moron on the TV? Nope!
 
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But it's really not that simple is it? As punters and escorts we have always made our own risk assessments and acted accordingly. Overwhelmingly the risks we've weighed have been to the health of ourselves and the SP/SS we meet.

However, in the middle of a serious pandemic, punting must be the single most efficient way to transmit the infection given the prolonged intimate contact that it involves - I don't believe it's possible to avoid that being the case (even if kissing is taken off the menu). The risks to health could be the start of an infectious chain that could result in death or serious illness to people in no way involved in the encounter. These people have not had the opportunity to agree with the risk assessments that the SS and SP have made - they're just innocent victims of the selfish acts of others.

One UKE SP gave the reason why she was not working as "Due to not wanting to contribute to the spread of Coronavirus" - very succinctly put. In the simple words of the director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Dr Anthony Fauci, "If you get infected and spread the infection, even though you do not get sick, you are part of the process of the dynamics of an outbreak in what you might be propagating, [and] inadvertently is infecting someone who then infects someone who then is someone who is vulnerable. That could be your grandmother, your grandfather, your sick uncle, who winds up dying." (the emphasis is mine).

So are SPs and SSs who are punting/working unaware of the pretty undisputed dynamics of the spread and effect of covid-19? That seems unlikely. Perhaps a few don't care what happens to other people (psychopaths) and some may be highly skilled at the art of self delusion and can try and pretend the facts are wrong because they are not aligned with what they want to do. Others will resort to that all too common and very weak "social proof" justification that "everybody else is doing it". Ultimately, only we are responsible for the decisions we take and for the consequences that result from those decisions.

I've tried to be objective, and it's a pretty depressing picture. The facts aren't going to change any time soon, even though hopefully the prevalence of covid-19 will decrease and we can hopefully manage to avoid a second spike. Punters have the freedom to act responsibly and not punt for the foreseeable future - clearly I believe they should. The choice for SPs who have relied on escorting as their only significant source of income to fund themselves and any dependents can become an impossibly difficult one. They may see no alternative to starting to work again even though they realise how antisocial that is - I'm so glad I don't have to make that choice.
It comes down to those who offer and seek services in a selfish and short-term manner, and those who have a sense of communal responsibility and appreciate that sex work isn't insular and has broader implications within the punting scene and beyond. That said, most offering and seeking services currently will probably avoid CV-19. Some will not and will probably infect a disproportionate number of others.

I won't be punting for a while and that decision is based on the way I prioritise my personal and work lives over punting. I can see how others may take a different view, but with so much still unknown about this virus they're kidding themselves if they think any accurate risk assessment is feasible.
 
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Of course, the same way as a drone shot changes a packed beach into a quiet one. The point is the "second wave" isn't there despite the media trying to will it into existence! Do I need my ability to assess my own personal risk spoon-fed to me by a shrieking moron on the TV? Nope!
I think it has scared enough people that we will all be a lot more careful generally for the forseeable future so it unlikely to ever rise up unnoticed as quickly as it did in March
 
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I think it has scared enough people that we will all be a lot more careful generally for the forseeable future so it unlikely to ever rise up unnoticed as quickly as it did in March
Scared is exactly the right term.

The SPI-B arm of SAGE wrote

. “A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened,” they write. “The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging.”
Source: https://assets.publishing.service.g...ce-to-social-distancing-measures-22032020.pdf - page 1

The media has been at great pains to point out and vilify mass gatherings all the way (exactly as government has specified!) since March, the data however doesn't bear out the apocalyptic headlines. The organised riots are the greatest barometer, there has been no "second wave" since multitudes gathered in cities up and down the land.

The government has advocated using "hard-hitting emotional messaging" and many now live in abject fear despite all graphs showing infections peaked just before the March lockdown.

One of the true scandals (not to mention the seemingly planned culling of the elderly which is now beginning to emerge in reports) of this hideous mess is the avoidable deaths of those who were too frightened by "hard-hitting emotional messaging" to seek urgent medical treatment in (largely empty) hospitals.

This government does not care about the public in the UK, and seems hell-bent on introducing a new totalitarian way of life in lockstep with other countries around the world. To what ultimate end, I have no idea.
 
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Scared is exactly the right term.

The SPI-B arm of SAGE wrote



Source: https://assets.publishing.service.g...ce-to-social-distancing-measures-22032020.pdf - page 1

The media has been at great pains to point out and vilify mass gatherings all the way (exactly as government has specified!) since March, the data however doesn't bear out the apocalyptic headlines. The organised riots are the greatest barometer, there has been no "second wave" since multitudes gathered in cities up and down the land.

The government has advocated using "hard-hitting emotional messaging" and many now live in abject fear despite all graphs showing infections peaked just before the March lockdown.

One of the true scandals (not to mention the seemingly planned culling of the elderly which is now beginning to emerge in reports) of this hideous mess is the avoidable deaths of those who were too frightened by "hard-hitting emotional messaging" to seek urgent medical treatment in (largely empty) hospitals.

This government does not care about the public in the UK, and seems hell-bent on introducing a new totalitarian way of life in lockstep with other countries around the world. To what ultimate end, I have no idea.
I think if we had ignored it for another week in March, it would have got scary in terms of numbers of deaths

Too many people were ignoring what we knew was coming
 
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I think if we had ignored it for another week in March, it would have got scary in terms of numbers of deaths

Too many people were ignoring what we knew was coming
The prospective modelling has several flaws, but the retrospective modelling makes you right. Furthermore, it's been demonstrated that restrictions a week or two earlier would've saved many lives.
 
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I think if we had ignored it for another week in March, it would have got scary in terms of numbers of deaths

Too many people were ignoring what we knew was coming
Ultimately there's no way to know, all of the infection charts including Sweden show a similar shape and distribution.

What is truly scary is what happened in care homes and particularly with the disabled. Shades of Aktion-T4 which I never thought we would see here in the UK. Still some other things rumbling on which I'm aware of and are chilling to the core. Dutch parliament have legalised an emergency notice allowing police to enter houses to check social distancing, Bundeswehr going house to house in Gutersloh checking "covid status". Seeing many ghosts of the past at the moment. Could just be co-incidence, right?
 
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Ultimately there's no way to know, all of the infection charts including Sweden show a similar shape and distribution.

What is truly scary is what happened in care homes and particularly with the disabled. Shades of Aktion-T4 which I never thought we would see here in the UK. Still some other things rumbling on which I'm aware of and are chilling to the core. Dutch parliament have legalised an emergency notice allowing police to enter houses to check social distancing, Bundeswehr going house to house in Gutersloh checking "covid status". Seeing many ghosts of the past at the moment. Could just be co-incidence, right?
Yes, the Care Home thing really was criminal - and whoever came up with that idea (and the people who quietly went along with it knowing what would happen) deserve some comeback from it

I think the Swedish people, although they were not restricted as such, did amend their behaviour more than we did before the lockdown happened
 
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Yes, the Care Home thing really was criminal - and whoever came up with that idea (and the people who quietly went along with it knowing what would happen) deserve some comeback from it

I think the Swedish people, although they were not restricted as such, did amend their behaviour more than we did before the lockdown happened
Turns out some local authorities were bunging the owners of private care homes to take in patients. https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/revealed-16-care-homes-given-18550503 - A hard light needs to be shone after this, quite a few have blood on their hands. There are other developments around the learning-disabled which may come out in the coming weeks, utterly chilling by this repugnant government.

The Swedes proved that they didn't need totalitarian diktats to get through an infection event. Unfortunately many other countries now have populations which have been largely indoctrinated to do as they are told.
 
So do punters have freedom (in your words) or not? People are free to make their own decisions - if they choose to believe the media then that is their right. Many do not as is evinced by the growing number of reviews on the other site. The infection curve is now showing a near-bottom so for many the lockdown is over, the oft-touted "second wave" of beach visitors, VE day, organised riots, workers sardined on tubes and and and never happened.

It's up to the individuals concerned to assess their own tolerable levels of risk as I said. Playing what-if taken to extreme levels means some will never leave their houses again. If you are at risk of respiratory infection then you can choose not to participate of your own free will if it makes you feel better, but demanding others free will be removed is an extremely slippery slope. I've already argued this government is a tyranny but those who buy into stripping their own freedoms and sagely nodding as this happens are only enabling the further slide into totalitarianism.

I myself am choosing to refrain as I am prone to such infections, do I want to curtail the actions of others, no. I don't need to be told how to think.
Of course punters have the freedom to make their own decisions, they always are, my post merely highlighted what I believe are the serious consequences of what they decide to do.

The events that you've highlighted are not remotely comparable to the close prolonged intimate contact of an escorting booking. I guess a really cramped tube train is the closest, but I'm not in the habit wrapping my naked body around and snogging the face off my fellow passengers - but maybe this behaviour is more common than I realise.

In the US there are many vocal and angry people who share your disbelief of the mainstream media and are effectively pandemic deniers (including the President). Unfortunately, the out of control spread of the virus in the US doesn't do much to convince me that they possess the truth that the less enlightened have misunderstood.
 
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Unfortunately, the out of control spread of the virus in the US doesn't do much to convince me that they possess the truth that the less enlightened have misunderstood.
I don't understand why you are propagating this graph? Its only the number of cases, which if the course does increase with the number of tests. Means Jack shit!

Do you have any graph on admissions to the hospitals with CV19 symptoms or deaths? ( in Usa only, as you provided so-called "data" to it)
Not sure about this "Data" at all.

That is the blurb from the source you got it from. Does it make sense to you? Honestly, please?

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Of course, the same way as a drone shot changes a packed beach into a quiet one. The point is the "second wave" isn't there despite the media trying to will it into existence! Do I need my ability to assess my own personal risk spoon-fed to me by a shrieking moron on the TV? Nope!
I do think outside is much, much safer though. The stats from prisons, care homes and sweat shops, as well as for those in low-quality housing and multigenerational households (particularly Asian), demonstrate the transmission is rife in poorly ventilated, densely populated buildings.
 
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I wonder if some punters will look back at this summer from a possible (and far more deadly) second wave this winter and see it as a window of lost opportunity, especially given the dampening down of the initial optimism of producing a working vaccine in the next few months (if ever)?

Yes, you would be playing Russian roulette punting at the present time, but life is full of examples of humans prepared to take far greater risks for their own pleasure. Just look at the death rate for base jumpers (about one in sixty) or F1 drivers in the 1960s, where in one year alone (1968) 10% of the drivers lost their lives.

The Office for National Statistics estimated that in the two weeks up to 5 July just under 1 in 4000 people (or 0,035%) were infected by the virus. But the infection rate is not uniform and so presuming you are punting outside of some of the higher risk
areas (such as Leicester) then the infection rate drops considerably again.

If you consider that the statistics are in your favour in the risk/benefit equation that punting, to some extent, always carries, how can you mitigate this risk? No kissing, no OWO, careful showering, finding an SP that disinfects the room between clients?

Given what we know about how the virus is passed on, an SP and SS being in very close proximity for 30 mins to an hour is probably going to make any of these precautions superfluous. Is a no kissing rule going to make any difference during this very intimate and close encounter?

if you are going to punt then finding a low volume provider would surely statistically be your best way of reducing your chances of being exposed to the virus.

I’m certainly no statistician, so please forgive these “back of the fag packet” musings if they are incorrect:

An escort seeing four clients per day five days per week has a 1 in 200 chance of exposure to the virus in any one week, whereas an SS that intends to see one every two weeks (as some on here have stated) has an average 1 in 8000 chance of exposure over the same period.

The very low volume provider would seem to be 40 times less likely to have contact with someone carrying the virus and therefore carry a very considerable lower risk to the punter. Couple this with the fact that the higher volume provider is likely to have a very gung-ho attitude to protecting themselves outside of the bedroom, if you are going to punt finding a low volume provider would appear to be by far the greatest factor in reducing your risk of exposure.

in another thread there was an opinion that those stating that seeing regulars was less risky were at best extremely naive, however, when there seems to be a general opinion that neither SP or SS should trust each other surely a clear indication that your regular is low volume is her availability when you try and book. The regular who often says that she is busy but can see you in a certain window is far more likely to see more clients than the one who can usually accommodate your request, or only works for very limited number of days. Over the months or years you can build a fairly accurate picture of how high or low volume a regular actually is.

Sorry, I didn’t realise how long this “thinking aloud post“ was going to be when I started, but to conclude: if you wish to negate the risk - don’t punt until it is safe (but when will that be?); if you consider the risk is now at a level where you might consider punting then you can mitigate that risk by booking an escort that you are fairly certain is a very low volume provider - more likely than not a regular rather than a first visit to an SS that takes your fancy on AW.
People have responded to the other bits but the first paragraph is amusing to me.

The land of punt will always be there. The best way to enjoy the land of punt is to stay alive.

I appreciate SPs have challenging economic situations and commitments. I just find it silly that some men cannot go without sex for long periods.

No matter how handsome or sexy we all are, we all go through dry spells.

I've got antibodies and have donated plasma to help others but until I can confirm this is a guarantee of me not being ill anymore or get a vaccine, I'll avoid the land of punt.

Breathing trumps orgasms every time for me.

On 3 separate nights, I couldn't sleep as breathing was a challenge. Took nearly 8 weeks for the entire disease to shift
 
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People have responded to the other bits but the first paragraph is amusing to me.

The land of punt will always be there. The best way to enjoy the land of punt is to stay alive.

I appreciate SPs have challenging economic situations and commitments. I just find it silly that some men cannot go without sex for long periods.

No matter how handsome or sexy we all are, we all go through dry spells.

I've got antibodies and have donated plasma to help others but until I can confirm this is a guarantee of me not being ill anymore or get a vaccine, I'll avoid the land of punt.

Breathing trumps orgasms every time for me.

On 3 separate nights, I couldn't sleep as breathing was a challenge. Took nearly 8 weeks for the entire disease to shift
+1

The idea that risking death is a missed opportunity. :lol: it's beyond daft. And if you should be affected by the second wave, you'll certainly not be looking back on the punts you didn't have in the first wave.
 
I just had a look at AW and yes there are availability lights on, however, a check on some of the girls I've seen shows they haven't had feedback since before shutdown. So maybe a drift, but a pretty slow one overall. Girls who have restarted (or never stopped) may be busier however, I'm sure that'll be because there's less competition.

Although I really enjoy FK, with a respiratory virus, that's the most risky thing to indulge in. So when I do return to punting (no plans yet) I might have to forego that element. :(
The lack of feedback is probably due to AW removing the meeting organising function on their site so you wouldn’t be able to leave FB, I think
 
I appear to have developed all the symptoms of fear fatigue...not that I was ever terrified of catching the virus, but having been immersed in the petri dish that is public transport in London right up until lockdown, and without any solid info about how long you may remain infectious, I was more concerned about the possibility of passing it on to someone more vulnerable.

You won't find a more diligent observer of the rules and guidlines than me...I've lived like a monk for the past few months, at one stage my hair had grown so long around my bald patch I even began to resemble one. But there's nothing frivolous or casual about punting for me, being able to enjoy regular sex is an integral part of my life, it plays a role in both my physical and mental well-being, and I have absolutely no doubt the quality of my existence is diminished without it.

We also need to avoid falling into the trap of allowing ourselves to be labelled as disease spreaders by those who would like to have shut us down even before the pandemic. Plenty of non-essential businesses have continued to operate throughout lockdown, little action appears to have been taken even when employees have drawn attention to the lack of precautions...and such places appear to be the centres of outbreaks now.

I haven't returned to punting yet...but I won't be abstaining much longer. I won't bother reminding everybody again about the huge death tolls flu epidemics can bring, but anyone who says they stopped punting or Escorting during these events is a liar...and yes, you can have the flu and be asymptomatic.
 
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But it's really not that simple is it? As punters and escorts we have always made our own risk assessments and acted accordingly. Overwhelmingly the risks we've weighed have been to the health of ourselves and the SP/SS we meet.

However, in the middle of a serious pandemic, punting must be the single most efficient way to transmit the infection given the prolonged intimate contact that it involves - I don't believe it's possible to avoid that being the case (even if kissing is taken off the menu). The risks to health could be the start of an infectious chain that could result in death or serious illness to people in no way involved in the encounter. These people have not had the opportunity to agree with the risk assessments that the SS and SP have made - they're just innocent victims of the selfish acts of others.

One UKE SP gave the reason why she was not working as "Due to not wanting to contribute to the spread of Coronavirus" - very succinctly put. In the simple words of the director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Dr Anthony Fauci, "If you get infected and spread the infection, even though you do not get sick, you are part of the process of the dynamics of an outbreak in what you might be propagating, [and] inadvertently is infecting someone who then infects someone who then is someone who is vulnerable. That could be your grandmother, your grandfather, your sick uncle, who winds up dying." (the emphasis is mine).

So are SPs and SSs who are punting/working unaware of the pretty undisputed dynamics of the spread and effect of covid-19? That seems unlikely. Perhaps a few don't care what happens to other people (psychopaths) and some may be highly skilled at the art of self delusion and can try and pretend the facts are wrong because they are not aligned with what they want to do. Others will resort to that all too common and very weak "social proof" justification that "everybody else is doing it". Ultimately, only we are responsible for the decisions we take and for the consequences that result from those decisions.

I've tried to be objective, and it's a pretty depressing picture. The facts aren't going to change any time soon, even though hopefully the prevalence of covid-19 will decrease and we can hopefully manage to avoid a second spike. Punters have the freedom to act responsibly and not punt for the foreseeable future - clearly I believe they should. The choice for SPs who have relied on escorting as their only significant source of income to fund themselves and any dependents can become an impossibly difficult one. They may see no alternative to starting to work again even though they realise how antisocial that is - I'm so glad I don't have to make that choice.
you can only do (as all must decide) what is right for you and your family.........circumstances differ and so do motivations.......Im surprised just how much lack of character that exists as demonstrated by folk that must meet their friends......must street party........must have that BBQ..........must go to that pub........must go on holiday........even the daft cunts who flew to spain only to find their booked hotel shut!!.......for business there isny a choice we must open but Im struck by the piece below...........STUPID eh?....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53399036
 
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I appear to have developed all the symptoms of fear fatigue...not that I was ever terrified of catching the virus, but having been immersed in the petri dish that is public transport in London right up until lockdown, and without any solid info about how long you may remain infectious, I was more concerned about the possibility of passing it on to someone more vulnerable.

You won't find a more diligent observer of the rules and guidlines than me...I've lived like a monk for the past few months, at one stage my hair had grown so long around my bald patch I even began to resemble one. But there's nothing frivolous or casual about punting for me, being able to enjoy regular sex is an integral part of my life, it plays a role in both my physical and mental well-being, and I have absolutely no doubt the quality of my existence is diminished without it.

We also need to avoid falling into the trap of allowing ourselves to be labelled as disease spreaders by those who would like to have shut us down even before the pandemic. Plenty of non-essential businesses have continued to operate throughout lockdown, little action appears to have been taken even when employees have drawn attention to the lack of precautions...and such places appear to be the centres of outbreaks now.

I haven't returned to punting yet...but I won't be abstaining much longer. I won't bother reminding everybody again about the huge death tolls flu epidemics can bring, but anyone who says they stopped punting or Escorting during these events is a liar...and yes, you can have the flu and be asymptomatic.
I've been chatting to people from meeting sites because I was going mad working from home and I felt ready to get out there. However, the way social meetings have to be organised now and the idea of getting physically close to a stranger means these conversations are unlikely to turn into more until later in the year. Now the pace of life means these people will have moved on and I'm a time waster.
 
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Turns out some local authorities were bunging the owners of private care homes to take in patients. https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/revealed-16-care-homes-given-18550503 - A hard light needs to be shone after this, quite a few have blood on their hands. There are other developments around the learning-disabled which may come out in the coming weeks, utterly chilling by this repugnant government.

The Swedes proved that they didn't need totalitarian diktats to get through an infection event. Unfortunately many other countries now have populations which have been largely indoctrinated to do as they are told.
A thousand pounds isn't really that much of a bung for a care home seeing as they get something mot massively far off that each week ( and would be receiving the money for an empty room while the resident is in hospital)
 
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A thousand pounds isn't really that much of a bung for a care home seeing as they get something mot massively far off that each week ( and would be receiving the money for an empty room while the resident is in hospital)
That's in addition to the money they rake in per patient. Money talks with such types.
 
I haven't returned to punting yet...but I won't be abstaining much longer. I won't bother reminding everybody again about the huge death tolls flu epidemics can bring, but anyone who says they stopped punting or Escorting during these events is a liar...and yes, you can have the flu and be asymptomatic.
@iamsin How arrogant is this assumption?
I've not punted since January (this was when the word pandemic was starting to gain traction in the NHS) specifically because like you, I'm trying to stay well. Unlike you I've not had a choice in the matter due to my job and if anything this only highlights the reasons for trying to keep safe. We all know the pandemic is still prevalent.

Every day people are still dying
Every day people are still being admitted into hospital and everyday people are still dying alone. As well as this there are many people "recovering" that will have permanent lung damage & breathing issues, total loss of smell and taste, the trauma of having a tracheostomy just to name a few.

If anyone here thinks a punt is worth it currently, just DM me - I'll happily give a few more details about the reality of getting infected and your recovery chances.

For the record though I wonder how many of you remember this post and your contribution
https://www.ukescorting.com/threads...providing-during-the-corvid-19-pandemic.2714/

Madness
 
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I appear to have developed all the symptoms of fear fatigue...not that I was ever terrified of catching the virus, but having been immersed in the petri dish that is public transport in London right up until lockdown, and without any solid info about how long you may remain infectious, I was more concerned about the possibility of passing it on to someone more vulnerable.

You won't find a more diligent observer of the rules and guidlines than me...I've lived like a monk for the past few months, at one stage my hair had grown so long around my bald patch I even began to resemble one. But there's nothing frivolous or casual about punting for me, being able to enjoy regular sex is an integral part of my life, it plays a role in both my physical and mental well-being, and I have absolutely no doubt the quality of my existence is diminished without it.

We also need to avoid falling into the trap of allowing ourselves to be labelled as disease spreaders by those who would like to have shut us down even before the pandemic. Plenty of non-essential businesses have continued to operate throughout lockdown, little action appears to have been taken even when employees have drawn attention to the lack of precautions...and such places appear to be the centres of outbreaks now.

I haven't returned to punting yet...but I won't be abstaining much longer. I won't bother reminding everybody again about the huge death tolls flu epidemics can bring, but anyone who says they stopped punting or Escorting during these events is a liar...and yes, you can have the flu and be asymptomatic.
That's a ridiculous statement to make. A few would have.
 
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@iamsin How arrogant is this assumption?
I've not punted since January (this was when the word pandemic was starting to gain traction in the NHS) specifically because like you, I'm trying to stay well. Unlike you I've not had a choice in the matter due to my job and if anything this only highlights the reasons for trying to keep safe. We all know the pandemic is still prevalent.

Every day people are still dying
Every day people are still being admitted into hospital and everyday people are still dying alone. As well as this there are many people "recovering" that will have permanent lung damage & breathing issues, total loss of smell and taste, the trauma of having a tracheostomy just to name a few.

If anyone here thinks a punt is worth it currently, just DM me - I'll happily give a few more details about the reality of getting infected and your recovery chances.

For the record though I wonder how many of you remember this post and your contribution
https://www.ukescorting.com/threads...providing-during-the-corvid-19-pandemic.2714/

Madness
I've not punted as I'm prone to such infections - and have no intention of doing so until we start to see consecutive days with no new cases. However I do think herd immunity is the only way out of this unless a safe vaccine emerges/the politicking around therapeutics is resolved.

Being as the common cold is also a coronavirus (aside: having a cold also shows up as a positive result on the "covid" test being used! - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing/serology-overview.html) the chances of any vaccine happening are slim, again leaving herd immunity as the solution.

I'm not a fan of "big government" and restricting people's lives, they should be free to make their own choices. I choose not to get involved but I don't need any other 3rd party to tell me how to think or evaluate my own personal risk.
 
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I've not punted as I'm prone to such infections - and have no intention of doing so until we start to see consecutive days with no new cases. However I do think herd immunity is the only way out of this unless a safe vaccine emerges/the politicking around therapeutics is resolved.

Being as the common cold is also a coronavirus (aside: having a cold also shows up as a positive result on the "covid" test being used! - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing/serology-overview.html) the chances of any vaccine happening are slim, again leaving herd immunity as the solution.

I'm not a fan of "big government" and restricting people's lives, they should be free to make their own choices. I choose not to get involved but I don't need any other 3rd party to tell me how to think or evaluate my own personal risk.
Most common colds are caused by rhinoviruses though.
 
I read it a few times when he posted it as it sounded bollocks. But I think he means anyone saying they stopped punting during a flu epidemic is a liar.
I understood exactly that, and I think it's a silly statement.
I've never stopped punting because of a flu epidemic. To be honest, I've never really been aware of one, until comparisons starting being made with Covid.

Obviously I've avoided punting when I've personally been ill but I've never seen or heard of a campaign to cease punting during winter flu outbreaks, so I think @The Libertine actually has a point.
 
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I've never stopped punting because of a flu epidemic. To be honest, I've never really been aware of one, until comparisons starting being made with Covid.

Obviously I've avoided punting when I've personally been ill but I've never seen or heard of a campaign to cease punting during winter flu outbreaks, so I think @The Libertine actually has a point.
Yes, he and others are free to do as they please, I choose not to as my own risk analysis dictates :thumbsup:
 
I've never stopped punting because of a flu epidemic. To be honest, I've never really been aware of one, until comparisons starting being made with Covid.

Obviously I've avoided punting when I've personally been ill but I've never seen or heard of a campaign to cease punting during winter flu outbreaks, so I think @The Libertine actually has a point.
You haven't, and maybe most haven't. However, it's ridiculous to say that anyone who claims to have stopped at those times is lying.
 
I've not punted as I'm prone to such infections - and have no intention of doing so until we start to see consecutive days with no new cases. However I do think herd immunity is the only way out of this unless a safe vaccine emerges/the politicking around therapeutics is resolved.

Being as the common cold is also a coronavirus (aside: having a cold also shows up as a positive result on the "covid" test being used! - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing/serology-overview.html) the chances of any vaccine happening are slim, again leaving herd immunity as the solution.

I'm not a fan of "big government" and restricting people's lives, they should be free to make their own choices. I choose not to get involved but I don't need any other 3rd party to tell me how to think or evaluate my own personal risk.

No, but you'll expect one to nurse you back to health once your expert knowledge fails you though ignorance
 
That perception seems a fair assessment. Not all, but many escorts - I'd say more so that not - have begun to advertise in person services again to some extent; of course some never ceased to. Punters seem more reluctant to reveal their return, probably helped by the anonymity that a working escort cannot so simply apply. I have no idea how busy working escorts are now as compared to before this pandemic.

From the start I did not foresee an indefinite cessation. Other activities are now being resumed under government direction. Personally from recently onward I am not looking badly on escorts who are back in action. Those who never gave a damn and continued throughout the full lockdown are another matter and I will remember them.
 
Have I been ill? :unknown:
You seem to know such a lot about me! :crazy::crazy:
Lets just agree to disagree shall we , I'm not here for an argument. All I'm trying to explain is the stupidity of punting in the current climate, or even trying to justify it. I just hope you didn't clap for us every Thursday a few weeks ago...........

I original response was to this statement

" I don't need any other 3rd party to tell me how to think or evaluate my own personal risk. " and that's all well and good. My "assumption" is factual. If you do get ill.....bad enough, you will need help that you cannot provide yourself.

Personally I do not believe there is a secret agenda.
Over 50 people died yesterday and the infamous R rate is approaching +1 (depending on where you are it has exceeded that). If and when a vaccine is developed there are already crowds saying it's something else completely and that the worlds governments are up to something inexplicable.

To all those people I'd say go ahead and don't get vaccinated, let herd immunity run it's course, because the numbers there are even more scary.
 
No, but you'll expect one to nurse you back to health once your expert knowledge fails you though ignorance
How else will you return to health? By divine intervention?
You're making it sound as though every escort is going to be infected and that every punter who goes to a booking is going to end up in intensive care.
 
That perception seems a fair assessment. Not all, but many escorts - I'd say more so that not - have begun to advertise in person services again to some extent; of course some never ceased to. Punters seem more reluctant to reveal their return, probably helped by the anonymity that a working escort cannot so simply apply. I have no idea how busy working escorts are now as compared to before this pandemic.

From the start I did not foresee an indefinite cessation. Other activities are now being resumed under government direction. Personally from recently onward I am not looking badly on escorts who are back in action. Those who never gave a damn and continued throughout the full lockdown are another matter and I will remember them.
You'll know when I return because it'll be on the news.
 
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Lets just agree to disagree shall we , I'm not here for an argument. All I'm trying to explain is the stupidity of punting in the current climate, or even trying to justify it. I just hope you didn't clap for us every Thursday a few weeks ago...........

I original response was to this statement

" I don't need any other 3rd party to tell me how to think or evaluate my own personal risk. " and that's all well and good. My "assumption" is factual. If you do get ill.....bad enough, you will need help that you cannot provide yourself.

Personally I do not believe there is a secret agenda.
Over 50 people died yesterday and the infamous R rate is approaching +1 (depending on where you are it has exceeded that). If and when a vaccine is developed there are already crowds saying it's something else completely and that the worlds governments are up to something inexplicable.

To all those people I'd say go ahead and don't get vaccinated, let herd immunity run it's course, because the numbers there are even more scary.
I follow my own risk management protocol to reduce risks as I see them, this includes not indulging myself in paid recreational sex. Clearly someone able to think critically and independently frightens you. For this I only hope you can get help. Failing that you probably won't leave your house again presumably because of the "hard-hitting emotional messaging" that the government has prescribed for you.

Re: vaccines - years of study are needed to ascertain the long-term effects. When you have big tech wanting to get involved in "healthcare" then IMO the whole premise changes from being about public health to social control. The fact this is happening apace in all "western" societies is surely just a coincidence...

As I've already said if you choose to believe the media and their already debunked scare stories about computer models using broken amateurish code then that's your right. What I have issue with is little dictators such as you trying to tell people how to think. I'm not a sheep and despise those who simply follow orders. It's only a mask becomes it's only a jab, becomes it's only a re-education camp for anti-vaxxers (or any other proscribed group).

This is not about public health, this is tyranny. And no I didn't fucking clap - the NHS is not fit for purpose beyond frontline care provision. When the Army has to sort out the woeful ineptitude around supply that overpaid bureaucrats fucked up it's extremely telling, and don't even get me started about the cull of the elderly which the NHS management are complicit in.
 
I understood exactly that, and I think it's a silly statement.
As I recall, when I mentioned the flu epidemic in 2015 that's thought to have claimed around 28,000 lives in the UK, you said that you hadn't even known about it.

I was 2 years old in 1968/69...the flu season then claimed a staggering 80,000 lives here. There was no lockdown, no social distancing, not much mask wearing, and I doubt it gained wall to wall media coverage. I only know about it because during this pandemic I've done a bit of research...my parents never told me about it.
 
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As I recall, when I mentioned the flu epidemic in 2015 that's thought to have claimed around 28,000 lives in the UK, you said that you hadn't even known about it.

I was 2 years old in 1968/69...the flu season then claimed a staggering 80,000 lives here. There was no lockdown, no social distancing, not much mask wearing, and I doubt it gained wall to wall media coverage. I only know about it because during this pandemic I've done a bit of research...my parents never told me about it.
Indeed, where was the lockdown for the Swine Flu pandemic (also catastrophised by Neil Ferguson and his amateurish attempts at computer programming!)
 
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As I recall, when I mentioned the flu epidemic in 2015 that's thought to have claimed around 28,000 lives in the UK, you said that you hadn't even known about it.

I was 2 years old in 1968/69...the flu season then claimed a staggering 80,000 lives here. There was no lockdown, no social distancing, not much mask wearing, and I doubt it gained wall to wall media coverage. I only know about it because during this pandemic I've done a bit of research...my parents never told me about it.
I've made exactly the same point back in May in this post: https://www.ukescorting.com/threads/corona-virus.2638/page-151#post-239708

Does anybody know why any of the countries did not do Lockdowns/Quarantine when the pandemic of Influenza (so-called Hong Kong flu) happened in 1968/69 and over 1 million people died all over the World, including 80.000 in the UK alone? :unknown:

Apart from @Ashley_M nobody answered. (apart of few flippant responses)
 
As I recall, when I mentioned the flu epidemic in 2015 that's thought to have claimed around 28,000 lives in the UK, you said that you hadn't even known about it.

I was 2 years old in 1968/69...the flu season then claimed a staggering 80,000 lives here. There was no lockdown, no social distancing, not much mask wearing, and I doubt it gained wall to wall media coverage. I only know about it because during this pandemic I've done a bit of research...my parents never told me about it.
That was the 'Hong Kong 'flu'.

There was a lot of coverage of it in all of the newspapers and on radio and television but, as you say, there was no hysterical reaction.
 
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