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My Insomnia has become quite a bit worse in the last few months, my GP just gives me sleeping pills, I have seen a specialist and they weren't much help. There is no underlying reason for it that I know of, its not stress, worry or depression for example, and its not connected to any other health problem.

Anyone else have Insomnia and if yes what did or do you do about it?
 
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I have periodic insomnia. And whenever I do have insomnia I always think of the documentary with Dominick Diamond (the guy who used to present Gamesmaster on channel 4 in the 1990s). And the fact that this fixed it for him.

Here is the trailer for it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p009shg4

The full documentary was called; 10 Things You Need to Know About Sleep. But its not on Iplayer. So it may be worth hunting out. But basically it was the case that no matter if the person sleeps or not. You spend 6 hrs in the bedroom trying to sleep. If you don't get it then its next day type stuff. It fixed his insomnia permanently after a few days.
 
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Yes had it for a long time, I just accept it as part of life now !
Started about 10 years ago in my case out of the blue, went to see my GP after a while and he offered Zopiclone sleeping pills which did work for a while which I have been able to use since. I don't always take any as they can make me feel like shit, and that's quite apart from the fact they are supposed to be a short term treatment, not for 10 years. The specialist though said keep taking them, I said what about trying another brand, that was a no from both of them. Zopiclone can be addictive as well.
 
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I have periodic insomnia. And whenever I do have insomnia I always think of the documentary with Dominick Diamond (the guy who used to present Gamesmaster on channel 4 in the 1990s). And the fact that this fixed it for him.

Here is the trailer for it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p009shg4

The full documentary was called; 10 Things You Need to Know About Sleep. But its not on Iplayer. So it may be worth hunting out. But basically it was the case that no matter if the person sleeps or not. You spend 6 hrs in the bedroom trying to sleep. If you don't get it then its next day type stuff. It fixed his insomnia permanently after a few days.
Thanks for that.:thumbsup:
 
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I used to suffer from it and was given some medication, didn't really help. What I did find helpful was reading a book, seemed to make me really sleepy.
 
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It seems to get worse with age. Once you`ve retired from work and have no work to worry about, you lie awake worrying because you`ve got nothing at all to worry about and there OUGHT to be something to worry about - then you eventually think of something to worry about and you lie worrying about it; THEN you go to sleep.
 
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Really I would never have guessed that,:rolleyes: this is a serious matter to me and I find it bad form to belittle a serious subject where I have asked for others advice, I didn't do the same on your depression thread out of courtesy. Pity you cant show me the same courtesy but that's up to you, I shall bear it in mind in future.:rolleyes:
 
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Really I would never have guessed that,:rolleyes: this is a serious matter to me and I find it bad form to belittle a serious subject where I have asked for others advice, I didn't do the same on your depression thread out of courtesy. Pity you cant show me the same courtesy but that's up to you, I shall bear it in mind in future.:rolleyes:
I apologize mate if it counts for anything in line with the other thread you mentioned, I have not had a natural nights sleep in 10 years

I use over counter sleeping tablets and alcohol on occasion

I usually pull 3 hours a night till I crash and sleep a day
 
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I apologize mate if it counts for anything in line with the other thread you mentioned, I have not had a natural nights sleep in 10 years

I use over counter sleeping tablets and alcohol on occasion

I usually pull 3 hours a night till I crash and sleep a day
Thanks I appreciate it:thumbsup: and its nearly 10 years for me as well as I can only sleep by taking the pills with the downside of feeling like shit when I wake up and for a few hours afterwards. Zopiclone in my case GP prescribed and I have to take 2x 7.5mg which is quite a high dose to knock me out and that doesn't always work.
 
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Thanks I appreciate it:thumbsup: and its nearly 10 years for me as well as I can only sleep by taking the pills with the downside of feeling like shit when I wake up and for a few hours afterwards. Zopiclone in my case GP prescribed and I have to take 2x 7.5mg which is quite a high dose to knock me out and that doesn't always work.

I would be very apprehensive of taking prescription sleeping tablets not for the side effects but if gp stops you there's no more

The over the counter I use is nytol my advice use to a minimum

I used for years not realizing it was an antihistamine stopped and had really adverse reactions, the body produces antihistamine naturally but because you take in tab form it stops

So now nytol is necessity not even a sleep aid anymore

Hope you sort it, I can't advise how because my sleep is fucked but hope you do
 
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Bad news for internet forums and kindle users, but there are strong links to IT screen use before trying to sleep and not getting to sleep. The screen light confuses the sleep pattern. Laying off the IT a few hours before bed might help.
 
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I have suffered for years. Sleeping pills can work but the good ones are addictive. I have found after spending time in a sleep clinic that bedroom hygiene works well. This means emptying your bedroom of any clutter, any electronic devices then ensuring your mattress does not need changing. Painting your room dark relaxing colours and having blackout curtains or blinds as well as scented candles. All this followed by a minimum of 30 minutes meditation. Also no alcohol for at least two hours before bed. It seems a lot to do but once you get to six months of not sleeping anything is worth a try. If you are still awake after 20mins get up and do something (nothing electronic no phone or tv etc) for 15 mins then go back to bed and try again. I do this and get a much better sleep now than I used to.
 
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Smiths would you not be better having some kind of herbal medication rather than all those chemical products. I am not saying all the time but those nights when you just cant sleep surely a small bifter would be better than not sleeping ??
 
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In my job my working hours are all over the place. Going from nights to days regularly can make it difficult to sleep. Generally more exercise and staying away from caffiene worked for me.
 
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I would be very apprehensive of taking prescription sleeping tablets not for the side effects but if gp stops you there's no more

The over the counter I use is nytol my advice use to a minimum

I used for years not realizing it was an antihistamine stopped and had really adverse reactions, the body produces antihistamine naturally but because you take in tab form it stops

So now nytol is necessity not even a sleep aid anymore

Hope you sort it, I can't advise how because my sleep is fucked but hope you do
Discussed this with my GP, he is very clear if the pills were stopped it would be a gradual process, Nytol and some other over the counter stuff I tried didn't work either.
 
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Smiths would you not be better having some kind of herbal medication rather than all those chemical products. I am not saying all the time but those nights when you just cant sleep surely a small bifter would be better than not sleeping ??
I have tried herbal and even homeopathic. Thanks also to those that offered me advice by PM, time to see my GP and press him harder.
 
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I have suffered for years. Sleeping pills can work but the good ones are addictive. I have found after spending time in a sleep clinic that bedroom hygiene works well. This means emptying your bedroom of any clutter, any electronic devices then ensuring your mattress does not need changing. Painting your room dark relaxing colours and having blackout curtains or blinds as well as scented candles. All this followed by a minimum of 30 minutes meditation. Also no alcohol for at least two hours before bed. It seems a lot to do but once you get to six months of not sleeping anything is worth a try. If you are still awake after 20mins get up and do something (nothing electronic no phone or tv etc) for 15 mins then go back to bed and try again. I do this and get a much better sleep now than I used to.
I follow most of this though I don't like scented candles.
 
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I suffered from this all my life. I once asked my then GP for help and he prescribed antidepressants (!) which I took for about a month before giving up on them. The solution for me was in the end something obvious which is probably of no use as you've probably already tried it. I relive the memories of past punts. I think that just as sex \ cumming is said to send people to sleep, reliving memorable sex \ punts maybe releases the same chemicals in my brain. I don't wank, I just literally relive fragments of punts that I have really vivid memories of and somehow it knocks me out.
 
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Doctor told me that if i ever expected to cure my insomnia, i'd have to stop taking my troubles to bed with me.

.... but the wife refuses to sleep alone.
 
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It seems to get worse with age. Once you`ve retired from work and have no work to worry about, you lie awake worrying because you`ve got nothing at all to worry about and there OUGHT to be something to worry about - then you eventually think of something to worry about and you lie worrying about it; THEN you go to sleep.
Now there's a feeling I know only too well :(.
 
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My Insomnia has become quite a bit worse in the last few months, my GP just gives me sleeping pills, I have seen a specialist and they weren't much help. There is no underlying reason for it that I know of, its not stress, worry or depression for example, and its not connected to any other health problem.

Anyone else have Insomnia and if yes what did or do you do about it?

Sorry to hear that mate. I get insomnia from time to time. I used to try all kind of things, like reading books, getting up and doing something around the house (quietly so as not to wake up OH). Sometimes I lie down on my sofa and watch videos on my tablet. That usually sends me to sleep, especially if they are boring videos.
 
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Sorry to hear that mate. I get insomnia from time to time. I used to try all kind of things, like reading books, getting up and doing something around the house (quietly so as not to wake up OH). Sometimes I lie down on my sofa and watch videos on my tablet. That usually sends me to sleep, especially if they are boring videos.
Thanks mate.
 
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Not wanting to sound a smartass but it was explained to me by a gp once. Sleeping pills are related to the zines. As in temazipam. These drugs move from your bloodstream and migrate into your actual flesh where they sit. So if you regularly use them they build up a huge store in your body and the body just craves more and more. You are never without them. The only way is to cut down on them slowly, I was cutting mine into eigths by the end. I was having some terrible nights but slowly the drug washed out of my body and eventually I slept. Now I sleep 7 or 8 hrs plus nod off during the day.

Doesn't work for everyone but it is because the drug is constantly in your body, not like alcohol which is gone after the hangover.
 
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I wouldnt class it as insomnia as sometimes I fall asleep stupidly early, the reason I dont do late bookings, but I do tend to wake up between 4.30 and 5.30 am. I actually love being awake in my house cave in the dark of night and early morning, its so peaceful and feels a bit naughty although god knows why
 
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usually is a sign the body is lacking magnesium, if taking a supplement the best is the chelated form

other thing the problem might come from the bodies 'other brain' in the full digestive system, could be something not quite functioning in the liver
 
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I had it bad a few years back although mine was related to depression. Couple of months of anti depressants & regular exercise & I haven't had it since.
 
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My Insomnia has become quite a bit worse in the last few months, my GP just gives me sleeping pills, I have seen a specialist and they weren't much help. There is no underlying reason for it that I know of, its not stress, worry or depression for example, and its not connected to any other health problem.

Anyone else have Insomnia and if yes what did or do you do about it?
I don't have trouble getting to sleep but I do wake up most days between 4:30 - 5 am, sometimes earlier and am never able to get back to sleep, I think it's become a habit now. It doesn't matter what time I go to bed either, or whether I've had a drink or not. Hangovers are unbearable as I can't sleep them off.

I've just accepted that's how it is, I won't take sleeping tables and so just go to bed of an evening when I feel tired. I seem to have enough energy to get me through the day so it isn't too bad although what I wouldn't give for a good sleep in once in a while!
 
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My Insomnia has become quite a bit worse in the last few months, my GP just gives me sleeping pills, I have seen a specialist and they weren't much help. There is no underlying reason for it that I know of, its not stress, worry or depression for example, and its not connected to any other health problem.

Anyone else have Insomnia and if yes what did or do you do about it?
I have suffered insomnia for years, rarely ever get a full nights sleep. Suffer the type where you drop off for couple of hours, wake up then can't get back to sleep. Never taken tablets and not as severe as it was but never quite feel fully energetic or 100%.
 
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It's not a nice feeling Smiths, I sympathise. I went through a period of a year where sleep wouldn't come before 3 or 4am. Herbal tea and exercise can relax the body but it's a mental block that was preventing me. I was overthinking personal issues I had. Over time I learnt to block them out and say fuck it, think about it in the morning.
 
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It's not a nice feeling Smiths, I sympathise. I went through a period of a year where sleep wouldn't come before 3 or 4am. Herbal tea and exercise can relax the body but it's a mental block that was preventing me. I was overthinking personal issues I had. Over time I learnt to block them out and say fuck it, think about it in the morning.
I truly believe the expression 'FUCK IT' is a great way to start healing the insomnia process.
 
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It's not a nice feeling Smiths, I sympathise. I went through a period of a year where sleep wouldn't come before 3 or 4am. Herbal tea and exercise can relax the body but it's a mental block that was preventing me. I was overthinking personal issues I had. Over time I learnt to block them out and say fuck it, think about it in the morning.
Thanks mate.:drinks:
 
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another thing to try is floatation therapy, super relaxing, one hour inside is equivalent of 8 hrs sleep, so your body feels rested & energised even with lack of sleep
 
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I had no idea until reading the replies here that insomnia was such a large problem.

Thankfully I do not suffer from it but after feeling the effects of sleep deprivation on a few occasions you all have my sympathy.
 
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Some tips I've learned over the years...
  • Try and go to bed/get up at roughly the same time each day, even on weekends or non-working days. If possible, do this a bit earlier or later depending on whether you're naturally a lark or an owl.
  • Nothing caffeinated after 18:00
  • For the last hour or so before bed, no electronic devices and preferably low lighting
  • Make sure your bed is comfortable (get a new mattress if necessary), and don't have too warm a duvet. The room should be fairly cool, too.
  • Don't have a heavy/rich meal past about 20:00 (assuming you go to bed around 23:00). If you need a snack before bed have something carby like a banana, piece of toast or a crumpet.
  • Not too much alcohol, though sometimes e.g. a small brandy can help. Hot milk-based drinks are good.
  • Reading in bed can help
  • Exercise is good, but at least 3-4h before you want to turn in
  • Have a warm bath or shower, but at least an hour before bed, and not too hot
  • Noise is very subjective: some people need total quiet, others like a background hum. See if a talk-based radio station or ambient music works for you if you're the latter.
  • If you're so inclined, try meditating briefly in the evening to help clear your mind
  • Don't use your bedroom for anything but sleep. OK, sex maybe too. ;-)
  • If you're still awake after a couple of hours, get up, go into a different room, read a book with a milky drink and then try again afterwards.
The main thing that helped me was being made redundant. Since I've no longer been a slave to my alarm clock, 90% of the time I sleep like a log!
 
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Hi Smiths,

I'm sure you have tried most things. This was has worked for me.

Standard advice is all of the above, basically get in a routine for sleep. However, I found rigorous exercise kept me awake, so keep it gentle - just enough to take the edge off.

The best thing i found to fall asleep to was to listen to talk radio (e.g. Radio 4 or 5 Live in my case). Anything that doesn't have jingles as they tend to wake you up! Radio 4 is annoying as it hands over to the World Service which has some annoying jingles. Keep it relatively boring - so no sport. I find music does not work either. An alternative might be an audio book.

Listen through ear phones if you can on the lowest possible level so you can just barely hear it. This also helps keep out other noises and distractions. If you have a sleep timer, use it.

I think this works because it distracts the mind from everything else and focuses it on one thing. It being a voice may also help. I suppose it is like reading a bedtime story to help a child to sleep.

Good luck
 
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Hi Smiths,

I'm sure you have tried most things. This was has worked for me.

Standard advice is all of the above, basically get in a routine for sleep. However, I found rigorous exercise kept me awake, so keep it gentle - just enough to take the edge off.

The best thing i found to fall asleep to was to listen to talk radio (e.g. Radio 4 or 5 Live in my case). Anything that doesn't have jingles as they tend to wake you up! Radio 4 is annoying as it hands over to the World Service which has some annoying jingles. Keep it relatively boring - so no sport. I find music does not work either. An alternative might be an audio book.

Listen through ear phones if you can on the lowest possible level so you can just barely hear it. This also helps keep out other noises and distractions. If you have a sleep timer, use it.

I think this works because it distracts the mind from everything else and focuses it on one thing. It being a voice may also help. I suppose it is like reading a bedtime story to help a child to sleep.

Good luck
Thanks.:thumbsup: And thanks to others that have posted.
 
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I see from your response that this is not a trivial problem. Have you tried 'mindfulness' (either mindfulness based cognitive therapy or mindfulness based stress reduction? They are evidence based strategies provided on the NHS (see your GP to be referred), and though they may sound a bit 'alternative', give a a go!
 
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I usually don't go to bed until the early hours and then sleep through until 9.00am - 10.00am. Seems to work for me.

The only time I find insomnia a slight problem, is when I get too excited thinking about meeting a lady who I haven't met before, the next day.
Stupid, I know but I still find punting exciting and I'm like a kid at Christmas sometimes.
 
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I think I have had one decent nights sleep in last 4 weeks. That's my usual cycle now. Think irregular sleep and insomnia are part of my life to the extent where I have got used to it.
 
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