Getting it from the Horses mouth.

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We all have our suspicions.
But it would be fantastic to know for sure ..as it's not a individual thing it's something that affects the majority of these girls .
WHY DO ROMANIANS GIVE SUCH A BAD SERVICE .
They are young and attractive and could make a lot of money if they played the game right ...
But choose to Lie and give terrible service . WHY:unknown:
 
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Can't say I agree with you that ALL Romanians give bad service as I've only seen one and she was very good even though her reviews on UKP were pretty poor.
 
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Can't say I agree with you that ALL Romanians give bad service as I've only seen one and she was very good even though her reviews on UKP were pretty poor.
My one and only experience with a Romanian girl was outstanding. I would imagine that if you find a genuinely indie Romanian girl (as opposed to one of Sergei's troupe) there's no reason why the standards should be any different :unknown:
 
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Can't say I agree with you that ALL Romanians give bad service as I've only seen one and she was very good even though her reviews on UKP were pretty poor.
My one and only experience with a Romanian girl was outstanding. I would imagine that if you find a genuinely indie Romanian girl (as opposed to one of Sergei's troupe) there's no reason why the standards should be any different :unknown:
Links please, Guys ?
Not for myself, you understand, but for "proper punters" on this great forum. :hi::drinks:
 
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We all have our suspicions.
But it would be fantastic to know for sure ..as it's not a individual thing it's something that affects the majority of these girls .
WHY DO ROMANIANS GIVE SUCH A BAD SERVICE .
They are young and attractive and could make a lot of money if they played the game right ...
But choose to Lie and give terrible service . WHY:unknown:
I have had good punts over the years with WGs who advertised as and said they were Romanians, and I have been fucked about by some as well, just like WGs from anywhere. What makes a good WG is her attitude not where she happens to come from, as such I go on the individual WG myself.
 
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Links please, Guys ?
Not for myself, you understand, but for "proper punters" on this great forum. :hi::drinks:
Not sure what the etiquette is for putting up links to non-UKE girls so I have sent a PM. I am happy to recommend her because the service was great and she even told me about a tour offer that I hadn't seen on her profile so the booking was £20 cheaper than I expected (she didn't need to tell me this but did so :thumbsup:)
 
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I would say that my strike rate for good vs bad experiences with Romanians is about 50/50.

I am including girls who were advertised as Romanian and those who claimed to be another nationality but whom I believe to have actually been Romanian, as these were the worst.
 
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Thanks Wazzer. :drinks::hi:.
On the short side for me, personally, as I preferred "taller", even in my more active punting career.
She may be short but she is fucking gorgeous in real life, I've deliberately not gone back yet (saw her 3 weeks ago) as I could become addicted.

Plus I'm trying to work my way through the A-Z of nationalities :D
 
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I have never been with a Romanian girl, largely due to the bad press they get. I also hate to generalise but when I see their profiles and read some of the reviews from punters, I get the distinct impression the majority of them don't want to be doing what they are doing. Whether that implies coercion or not, I don't no. Another feeling I get is that limited, unvigorous service is conducive to a longer working day. I may be talking total bollocks, but I never get a good feeling when I read their profiles and they often look miserable in their pics.
 
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I think most of the Romanian girls who choose to become prostitutes dont have a clue about what clients expect from them. Most of them have pimps who don't care about repeat business or about giving a good service for the money they get. Especially when they get 50% from the bookings, meaning 50£ for one hour, they don't care to give a good service. Hence the extra's they charge to top up their income. In my opinion the exceptions are the independent girls, especially the ones who are considerate and realise they have to give in order to receive. The good ones are hard to find but they exist :)
 
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I think most of the Romanian girls who choose to become prostitutes dont have a clue about what clients expect from them. Most of them have pimps who don't care about repeat business or about giving a good service for the money they get. Especially when they get 50% from the bookings, meaning 50£ for one hour, they don't care to give a good service. Hence the extra's they charge to top up their income.
Think you've pretty much nailed it, bbGFE.
Often wonder what kind of training procedure they go through, if any.. :unknown:
As is often commented - seems a shame that such beautiful girls often under-deliver and, effectively cut their noses off to spite their face, to borrow an old expression. So much more money could be made, alongside a generally better reception amongst the paid sex community.
I have a few on my HL and they're there only because their service has been flagged up on UKP as good. But they're certainly in the minority.
 
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I think most of the Romanian girls who choose to become prostitutes dont have a clue about what clients expect from them. Most of them have pimps who don't care about repeat business or about giving a good service for the money they get. Especially when they get 50% from the bookings, meaning 50£ for one hour, they don't care to give a good service. Hence the extra's they charge to top up their income. In my opinion the exceptions are the independent girls, especially the ones who are considerate and realise they have to give in order to receive. The good ones are hard to find but they exist :)
The fact is ANY WG could have a pimp for all I would know for definite giving any amount of fees to the pimp. I am not privy to a WGs private life.

I believe very few WGs are really Indies, I cant prove it though, its just my opinion.
 
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http://www.adultwork.com/2270525 or http://www.adultwork.com/BeautifulCuteBabe
One of the most beautiful women I've been with, took a while to warm to but get any women to talk about herself and they generally regard you in a better light that's why I prefer a minimum 1 1/2 hour booking
Tina is an awful punt. I had a bad time when I saw her. She may be good looking and actually sweet but her performance was terrible. Her reviews on UKP are mostly negative too.
Some of my best punts this year include two Romanians. Melysa/Katie & Renata who also happen to be sisters.
 
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Tina is an awful punt. I had a bad time when I saw her. She may be good looking and actually sweet but her performance was terrible. Her reviews on UKP are mostly negative too.
Some of my best punts this year include two Romanians. Melysa/Katie & Renata who also happen to be sisters.
Whereas as you know Renata fucked me over and a number of other punters, glad she didn't you of course Sam.:thumbsup:
 
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I know that a lot of Romanian girls will pretend to be other nationalities because they know that there are a lot of men who won't see them otherwise.

The fact is ANY WG could have a pimp for all I would know for definite giving any amount of fees to the pimp. I am not privy to a WGs private life.

I believe very few WGs are really Indies, I cant prove it though, its just my opinion.
What makes you think so? The indies I know (myself included) really are. I can't prove that to you either though I guess.
 
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Whereas as you know Renata fucked me over and a number of other punters, glad she didn't you of course Sam.:thumbsup:
I can't excuse her actions. She did and as a result her reputation is tarnished. As an SP she's very good though, I've seen her multiple times now including once this week.
 
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I know that a lot of Romanian girls will pretend to be other nationalities because they know that there are a lot of men who won't see them otherwise.



What makes you think so? The indies I know (myself included) really are. I can't prove that to you either though I guess.
Exactly, its not provable, you also cant know for definite unless your with another WG 24/7 that they haven't got a pimp. The pimp could be their partner for example and they never mention it to other people.
 
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Imagine you grow up in Shitsville, Transylvania. Little schooling, poor family, probably work in agriculture or a crappy factory. You've perhaps shagged a cousin and a couple of spotty teen schoolmates. 'Uncle' Sergei comes along and offers to pay for your airfare to London where you can have a glamorous job working with other Romanian girls. You think 'Fuck, yeah, I'm off!'

Couple of weeks later you arrive in Luton, go to a shitty, cramped flat and have to share a room with 2-3 other girls. Then you're told you have to pay for your airfare, earn your keep etc., and the best way to do that is servicing any old Tom, Dick or Mohammed who turns up at the brothel door. You're encouraged to do CIM and anal as it brings in extra cash. Maybe even bareback. You don't have time to clean up properly inbetween, go for a walk/exercise, or eat properly. You can barely speak English so can't really do much else. Six weeks later you're moved to Peterborough, then Slough, then Enfield etc. etc. etc.

It's not exactly rocket science to work out that they're not going to be enthusiastic, joyful service providers. I know this probably only applies to a minority, and is going to be applicable to some other nationalities too, but alas as Sergei's business seems to be flourishing and there is a constant stream of new girls, it's obvious that many punters simply don't give a toss.
 
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Imagine you grow up in Shitsville, Transylvania. Little schooling, poor family, probably work in agriculture or a crappy factory. You've perhaps shagged a cousin and a couple of spotty teen schoolmates. 'Uncle' Sergei comes along and offers to pay for your airfare to London where you can have a glamorous job working with other Romanian girls. You think 'Fuck, yeah, I'm off!'

Couple of weeks later you arrive in Luton, go to a shitty, cramped flat and have to share a room with 2-3 other girls. Then you're told you have to pay for your airfare, earn your keep etc., and the best way to do that is servicing any old Tom, Dick or Mohammed who turns up at the brothel door. You're encouraged to do CIM and anal as it brings in extra cash. Maybe even bareback. You don't have time to clean up properly inbetween, go for a walk/exercise, or eat properly. You can barely speak English so can't really do much else. Six weeks later you're moved to Peterborough, then Slough, then Enfield etc. etc. etc.

It's not exactly rocket science to work out that they're not going to be enthusiastic, joyful service providers. I know this probably only applies to a minority, and is going to be applicable to some other nationalities too, but alas as Sergei's business seems to be flourishing and there is a constant stream of new girls, it's obvious that many punters simply don't give a toss.
You paint the picture well.
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
 
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Exactly, its not provable, you also cant know for definite unless your with another WG 24/7 that they haven't got a pimp. The pimp could be their partner for example and they never mention it to other people.
Of course. Most of the girls I know are single and the ones that aren't, well I can't know for sure but they certainly seem very free to choose from what I've seen. As I say, I can't prove anything one way or another but I think most indies are genuinely independent. I was just curious as to what made you think otherwise.
 
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Imagine you grow up in Shitsville, Transylvania. Little schooling, poor family, probably work in agriculture or a crappy factory. You've perhaps shagged a cousin and a couple of spotty teen schoolmates. 'Uncle' Sergei comes along and offers to pay for your airfare to London where you can have a glamorous job working with other Romanian girls. You think 'Fuck, yeah, I'm off!'

Couple of weeks later you arrive in Luton, go to a shitty, cramped flat and have to share a room with 2-3 other girls. Then you're told you have to pay for your airfare, earn your keep etc., and the best way to do that is servicing any old Tom, Dick or Mohammed who turns up at the brothel door. You're encouraged to do CIM and anal as it brings in extra cash. Maybe even bareback. You don't have time to clean up properly inbetween, go for a walk/exercise, or eat properly. You can barely speak English so can't really do much else. Six weeks later you're moved to Peterborough, then Slough, then Enfield etc. etc. etc.

It's not exactly rocket science to work out that they're not going to be enthusiastic, joyful service providers. I know this probably only applies to a minority, and is going to be applicable to some other nationalities too, but alas as Sergei's business seems to be flourishing and there is a constant stream of new girls, it's obvious that many punters simply don't give a toss.
Yes that's quite sobering and why I avoid them and therefore not contributing to their misery.
 
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Imagine you grow up in Shitsville, Transylvania. Little schooling, poor family, probably work in agriculture or a crappy factory. You've perhaps shagged a cousin and a couple of spotty teen schoolmates. 'Uncle' Sergei comes along and offers to pay for your airfare to London where you can have a glamorous job working with other Romanian girls. You think 'Fuck, yeah, I'm off!'

Couple of weeks later you arrive in Luton, go to a shitty, cramped flat and have to share a room with 2-3 other girls. Then you're told you have to pay for your airfare, earn your keep etc., and the best way to do that is servicing any old Tom, Dick or Mohammed who turns up at the brothel door. You're encouraged to do CIM and anal as it brings in extra cash. Maybe even bareback. You don't have time to clean up properly inbetween, go for a walk/exercise, or eat properly. You can barely speak English so can't really do much else. Six weeks later you're moved to Peterborough, then Slough, then Enfield etc. etc. etc.

It's not exactly rocket science to work out that they're not going to be enthusiastic, joyful service providers. I know this probably only applies to a minority, and is going to be applicable to some other nationalities too, but alas as Sergei's business seems to be flourishing and there is a constant stream of new girls, it's obvious that many punters simply don't give a toss.
The evidence by way of conviction doesn't prove Sergeis are a big problem here, rather than believe its a big problem I require the evidence, if it is a big problem the police have been so incompetent beyond belief in my view. You mention a possible scenario so the police must know this scenario so why don't I hear a lot more Sergeis getting convicted.

People mention Sergei but pimps have always been involved in prostitution of course, Kevin the Brit pimp is everywhere and his female counterpart, sometimes an ex-WG, the question is not being a pimp for me but whether a woman is being forced by a pimp which is obviously wrong and such evil pricks should get life sentences. Its well known some WGs choose to work for a pimp, that includes ALL WGs who work at parlours/brothels, agencies and parties, that's a lot of WGs.
 
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Of course. Most of the girls I know are single and the ones that aren't, well I can't know for sure but they certainly seem very free to choose from what I've seen. As I say, I can't prove anything one way or another but I think most indies are genuinely independent. I was just curious as to what made you think otherwise.
Because I don't just believe the propaganda some post. I am not that gullible. I go on facts and proof where I can do so, both are sadly lacking in punting which comes of it being unregulated so anyone can post any old bollocks and some punters will believe it as fact.
 
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The evidence by way of conviction doesn't prove Sergeis are a big problem here, rather than believe its a big problem I require the evidence, if it is a big problem the police have been so incompetent beyond belief in my view. You mention a possible scenario so the police must know this scenario so why don't I hear a lot more Sergeis getting convicted.

People mention Sergei but pimps have always been involved in prostitution of course, Kevin the Brit pimp is everywhere and his female counterpart, sometimes an ex-WG, the question is not being a pimp for me but whether a woman is being forced by a pimp which is obviously wrong and such evil pricks should get life sentences. Its well known some WGs choose to work for a pimp, that includes ALL WGs who work at parlours/brothels, agencies and parties, that's a lot of WGs.
<sarcasm> Yes but we wouldn't like the facts to get in the way of an entrenched opinion. </sarcasm>
Seriously though if you believe a girl you have visited is being trafficked against her will then you have an obligation to report it, if you don't then you are breaking the law.

As for pimps what's in a name I would imagine there are lots of girls who have drivers, security or the more generally recognised "pimp" or "madam" all of whom are guilty under the law of living off immoral earnings but they do provide protection to the WG.
 
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The fact is ANY WG could have a pimp for all I would know for definite giving any amount of fees to the pimp. I am not privy to a WGs private life.

I believe very few WGs are really Indies, I cant prove it though, its just my opinion.
Ive worked in parlours, met plenty of girls who dont even have a boyfriend let alone a pimp.
 
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<sarcasm> Yes but we wouldn't like the facts to get in the way of an entrenched opinion. </sarcasm>
Seriously though if you believe a girl you have visited is being trafficked against her will then you have an obligation to report it, if you don't then you are breaking the law.

As for pimps what's in a name I would imagine there are lots of girls who have drivers, security or the more generally recognised "pimp" or "madam" all of whom are guilty under the law of living off immoral earnings but they do provide protection to the WG.
A driver or security when hired by an escort are working FOR the escort though, they are completely different to a pimp where the escort works for them
 
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<sarcasm> Yes but we wouldn't like the facts to get in the way of an entrenched opinion. </sarcasm>
Seriously though if you believe a girl you have visited is being trafficked against her will then you have an obligation to report it, if you don't then you are breaking the law.

As for pimps what's in a name I would imagine there are lots of girls who have drivers, security or the more generally recognised "pimp" or "madam" all of whom are guilty under the law of living off immoral earnings but they do provide protection to the WG.[/QUOTE
My advice is report trafficking anonymously.
 
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A driver or security when hired by an escort are working FOR the escort though, they are completely different to a pimp where the escort works for them
Agreed. But I don't think the law would see it that way, I may well be wrong because as we all know the law is definitely an ass (the horse type :rolleyes:) in this industry.

Also a lot goes on that is not actioned by the coppers, like more than one girl in an apartment because they don't have the time, inclination or resources to do much about it until they get complaints from the neighbours.
 
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I think most of the Romanian girls who choose to become prostitutes dont have a clue about what clients expect from them. Most of them have pimps who don't care about repeat business or about giving a good service for the money they get. Especially when they get 50% from the bookings, meaning 50£ for one hour, they don't care to give a good service. Hence the extra's they charge to top up their income. In my opinion the exceptions are the independent girls, especially the ones who are considerate and realise they have to give in order to receive. The good ones are hard to find but they exist :)
That's the problem us punters have to pay before we try ..
So its going to cost me 60 to 80 sheets to find out if she's a y good ...
I know try stick to the UK girls although most could do with loosing a few dress sizes :rolleyes:
Although right now my top 3 are
Spanish
Scottish and a gordie
In particular order :cool:
That's because 2 are on uke and other one reads it .
Ok girls :coolgirl::dancegirl::angelgirl:
 
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The evidence by way of conviction doesn't prove Sergeis are a big problem here, rather than believe its a big problem I require the evidence, if it is a big problem the police have been so incompetent beyond belief in my view. You mention a possible scenario so the police must know this scenario so why don't I hear a lot more Sergeis getting convicted.

People mention Sergei but pimps have always been involved in prostitution of course, Kevin the Brit pimp is everywhere and his female counterpart, sometimes an ex-WG, the question is not being a pimp for me but whether a woman is being forced by a pimp which is obviously wrong and such evil pricks should get life sentences. Its well known some WGs choose to work for a pimp, that includes ALL WGs who work at parlours/brothels, agencies and parties, that's a lot of WGs.
It may not be a big problem, but it is A problem - we've all seen the batches of new AW profiles arrive where the women are all photographed on the same bed, offer virtually every service for a low price, and then within a few weeks they've moved location or the profile has disappeared. But how many men just think "Oh well, she's young, slim and cheap, I'll give her a go?" Is it because they're stupid, or because they don't care that these women might not be prostitutes for the best of reasons, or even totally voluntarily?

Also, you seem to be implying that many (most?) escorts are incapable of a). entering sex work entirely of their own volition and as a positive choice, and/or b). have the nous to manage their business. Which is a little insulting.
 
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Also, you seem to be implying that many (most?) escorts are incapable of a). entering sex work entirely of their own volition and as a positive choice, and/or b). have the nous to manage their business. Which is a little insulting.
I certainly wouldn't say nor do I think that.

There is ample evidence on here and elsewhere from WG's that they are more than capable of doing anything they put their mind to.

But you also can't deny that a lot of girls also voluntarily have pimps for any number of reasons.
 
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Most of the new to UK girls choose to split their earnings with a pimp because its almost impossible for them to rent an in call flat here. No one teaches them how to rent a flat, how to get nin, register with hmrc or with a GP, basically how to live in UK.
So they find a pimp and work for him. Some get smarter, research online, find Saafe and other forums and learn. Most don't, they just live day by day until they can't take it anymore and get a civy job or go back home. That's the reason some dissapear.
My advice for punters is to try to open their eyes and become better escorts or at least try to make them understand that they have to provide a better service and there is a chance they can become independent. How? Mention Saafe and Ukp to them, and maybe for some there still is a chance to become smarter & better.
Thank you for reading :)
 
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Agreed. But I don't think the law would see it that way, I may well be wrong because as we all know the law is definitely an ass (the horse type :rolleyes:) in this industry.

Also a lot goes on that is not actioned by the coppers, like more than one girl in an apartment because they don't have the time, inclination or resources to do much about it until they get complaints from the neighbours.
Of course the law will see it that way if there is proof that the driver or security are an employee
 
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Most of the new to UK girls choose to split their earnings with a pimp because its almost impossible for them to rent an in call flat here. No one teaches them how to rent a flat, how to get nin, register with hmrc or with a GP, basically how to live in UK.
So they find a pimp and work for him. Some get smarter, research online, find Saafe and other forums and learn. Most don't, they just live day by day until they can't take it anymore and get a civy job or go back home. That's the reason some dissapear.
My advice for punters is to try to open their eyes and become better escorts or at least try to make them understand that they have to provide a better service and there is a chance they can become independent. How? Mention Saafe and Ukp to them, and maybe for some there still is a chance to become smarter & better.
Thank you for reading :)
Couldn't agree more, but I would hesitate to offer unsolicited advice to a WG, I've read saafe a few times and that appears to go over like a lead balloon
 
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